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This is a discussion on First tow of the 2019 Season within the F150 Ecoboost Towing forums, part of the F150 Ecoboost Forum category; I have no problem with the method. I think it's great. My issue is with Ford crappy engineering and parts. If that fan can handle ...

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    I have no problem with the method. I think it's great. My issue is with Ford crappy engineering and parts. If that fan can handle being run on high speed longer, why doesn't Ford just fix the trucks that have overheating issues and increase the high speed fan time or lower the temp to trigger it?

    What sort of ECT were you seeing with it on the whole time?
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    I ran the fans full speed in 120 deg heat and those fans were 8 years old plus all summer long . I look at it if you drive in town when its above 100deg the fans will run all day long hi speed with A/C on everyday . They only shut off by computer after a certain mph or switch to low speed basically putting fans in parallel (cuts speed and amperage). Mike has one 70 amp relay (large contacts) and a 60 amp fuse. Wire size can handle it , I measured 36 amps with both fans running. I only installed new fans this winter is due to age and used Motorcraft fan assembly . don't use china knock offs, working as a industrial automation mechanic i deal with broken and worn out crap everyday .I try and stay ahead of failures on all my vehicles especially when its 120 deg and broke down on side of road is life threatening . Also my old fans are going on my lightning is another reason i bought new ones.
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    Any reason for the higher amperage fuse between the Raptor and other models? Fan is identical....
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    ARE Z-Series topper w/Yakima rack, Bilstein 5100's, StopTech Sport brakes, BFG T/A KO2 on stock rims, RXP Catch can w/UPR check valves, FR Gen 2 Radiator, Saudi Trans cooler, CR Performance Engineering exhaust manifolds, Firestone Air bags.

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    I think it is all 4wd's have the 50 amp fuse , my Tremor does , may have to do with mud or traversing deep water that could put additional load on fan blades. I left the 60 amp fuse on relay kit because of In-rush current , Both fans kicking on at same time at 12 volts is close to 50amps . When Computer is controlling fans it starts out in parallel half speed =half current then switches to high speed . Fans are already spinning half speed so you don't get amp surge when high speed kicks in vs. starting fans from a dead stop.

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    2010 Raptor ,6.2L, 2.9 Whipple 650 hp kit .MODS everything
    2002 Lightning ,3.4 whipple ,800 RWHP, MODS everything
    1993 454 SS ,502 ci and 2.4 kennebell, 600 rwhp MODS everything
    1979 10th annivesary trans am 400 4spd , 56,000 orig miles, Stock
    1963 Impala 21,000 orig miles
    2015 POLARIS Scrambler 1000,Stock
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    DD....come to the dark side brotha-lol
    It works!
    Again, I first thought I'd go the redneck route and wire into the high speed fans via fuse box-lol (hey...works for stereo stuff?)
    At first I too thought....I have to unplug/replug everytime I go manual?
    Not a big deal to me at all, because again I can monitor it through Torque Pro
    I have noticed how conservative the stock fan settings are as well as on a tune.



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    Fantastic thread.

    I'm jazzed just because I like the whole concept of being able to override the programming if the environment calls for it.

    A better way to explain what I'm saying is to use the Ford Cmax to make my point. As a hybrid, it has some pretty sophisticated software that is making the decisions on when to call on EV (Electric Motor) power only, when to call on ICE (internal combustion engine) for charging the EV battery, and when to call on EV+ICE for power to move the car.

    If you just drive it like any other car and make no decisions yourself, that software onboard can yield you between 40-47mpg.

    But as you get to know the car and LEARN to read the data and monitoring devices available on the screens, you begin to see the algorithms in play. That ends up revealing to you that the software is limited and BLIND to what's coming up in the windshield. It does not know you have a possible red-light a ¼ of a mile ahead so it COULD go into coast/braking mode and start the "regeneration" process way earlier than waiting for a driver cue by touching the brakes.

    That's just one example.
    There are an almost unlimited amount of variables that the driver can begin to use to manage the 3 statuses himself. As a result, you can easily increase the mpg by a huge factor by being a "thinker" with eyes and predictions that the software couldn't possibly detect on its own.

    So, with that as an analogy, I find it pretty appealing to modify the cooling control of the truck by adding the driver and his predictive advantage over the factory blind algorithm. It's a brilliant way to participate in improving the motors operating parameters.

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    Literally takes 1 min to open hood unplug both fan connectors and reinstall other set of fan connectors .
    2014 FX4Tremor,FullraceDP,Wagner,BBK,Afe CAI,ITV22,MSDcoils,180 thrmostat ,Unleashed 91 tune.
    2010 Raptor ,6.2L, 2.9 Whipple 650 hp kit .MODS everything
    2002 Lightning ,3.4 whipple ,800 RWHP, MODS everything
    1993 454 SS ,502 ci and 2.4 kennebell, 600 rwhp MODS everything
    1979 10th annivesary trans am 400 4spd , 56,000 orig miles, Stock
    1963 Impala 21,000 orig miles
    2015 POLARIS Scrambler 1000,Stock
    1995 BANSHEE ,Not Stock
    1985 Yamaha RZ500 ,4 cylinder2 stroke,12,000 miles , Australia

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    Quote Originally Posted by BAD454SS View Post
    Literally takes 1 min to open hood unplug both fan connectors and reinstall other set of fan connectors .
    I know, I just don't tow enough or heavy enough to warrant a 100% high speed fan all the time. I just want to bump it up when I see "the hill" coming as snake is talking about. I just need an override, not "as much as I can get" from the fan. I think a simple ground on the relay to engage high speed is all I need. Maybe I will do a pigtail at the connector so I don't have to hack the fuse box.
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    Yea, I wouldn't object to the additional cost to go a little less "analog" about it.

    In fact, if a digital approach was well designed and signed off on by a guru, I'd pony up!



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    Quote Originally Posted by DNA Dan View Post
    I know, I just don't tow enough or heavy enough to warrant a 100% high speed fan all the time. I just want to bump it up when I see "the hill" coming as snake is talking about. I just need an override, not "as much as I can get" from the fan. I think a simple ground on the relay to engage high speed is all I need. Maybe I will do a pigtail at the connector so I don't have to hack the fuse box.
    This, exactly. I'd like to be able to pre-emptively turn them on high before a climb to get the truck in the best condition to help delay the inevitable, then put it back in PCM mode when I am at the top. I can get my truck very hot around here in the summer.
    2014 Lariat Screw, 157", Max Tow, 502A - Gearhead Tuned, AFE Intercooler, RX Catch Can, Bilstein 5100(.8" level), AirLift RideControl bags, 275/60R20 Wrangler Duratracs

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