TSB 16-0027 has been replaced (Cold Start Rattle; Timing Chain)

TSB 16-0027 has been replaced (Cold Start Rattle; Timing Chain)

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    TSB 16-0027 has been replaced (Cold Start Rattle; Timing Chain)

    by TSB 18-2305. Came out in late october 2018. The updated tensioner kit now comes with all 4 cam sprockets.

    I will try to attach the TSB later
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    What a novel idea

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    TECHNICAL SERVICE BULLETIN
    3.5L EcoBoost - Cold Start - Ticking/Tapping Or Rattle Type Noise - Built On Or Before 29-May-2015
    18-2305
    24 October 2018
    This bulletin supersedes 16-0027. Reason for update: New Part/Procedure For Same Condition
    Model:
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    2011-2015 F-150

    Summary
    This article supersedes TSB 16-0027 to update the Parts List.
    Issue: Some 2011-2015 F-150 vehicles equipped with a 3.5L EcoBoost engine and built on or before 29-May-2015 may exhibit a ticking/tapping or rattle type noise from the top front cover area of the engine upon initial start-up lasting for 2-5 seconds after a cold soak of 6 hours or more.
    Action: Follow the Service Procedure steps to correct the condition.
    Parts
    Part Number Description Quantity
    BR3Z-6584-B BR3Z-6584-B Cam Cover Gasket - Right Side (2011–2012) 1
    DL3Z-6584-C DL3Z-6584-C Cam Cover Gasket - Right Side (2013–2015) 1
    BL3Z-6D256-C BL3Z-6D256-C Timing Chain Tensioner Kit 1
    TA-357 TA-357 Motorcraft® High Performance Engine RTV Silicone 1
    ZC-30-A ZC-30-A Motorcraft® Silicone Gasket Remover 1
    ZC-31-B ZC-31-B Motorcraft® Metal Surface Prep 1
    VC-3-B VC-3-B Motorcraft® Orange Concentrated Antifreeze/Coolant 1
    XO-5W30-Q1SP XO-5W30-Q1SP Motorcraft® SAE 5W-30 Premium Synthetic Blend Motor Oil 6
    Warranty Status: Eligible Under Provisions Of New Vehicle Limited Warranty Coverage Warranty/ESP coverage limits/policies/prior approvals are not altered by a TSB. Warranty/ESP coverage limits are determined by the identified causal part and verified using the OASIS part coverage tool.
    Labor Times
    Description Operation No. Time
    2011-2014 F-150 3.5L GTDI: Replace All Four VCT Units And The Primary Timing Chain (Do Not Use With Any Other Labor Operations) 182305A 9.2 Hrs.
    2015 F-150 3.5L GTDI: Replace All Four VCT Units And The Primary Timing Chain (Do Not Use With Any Other Labor Operations) 182305B 9.0 Hrs.
    Repair/Claim Coding
    Causal Part: 6584
    Condition Code: 42

    Service Procedure
    1. Check the vehicle build date. Was the vehicle built on or before 29-May-2015?
    (1). Yes - proceed to Step 2.
    (2). No - this procedure does not apply. Refer to Workshop Manual (WSM), Section 303-00 for normal diagnostics.
    2. Does the customer state a ticking/tapping or rattle type noise lasting for 2-5 seconds occurs from the top front cover area of the engine upon cold start-up after a cold soak of 6 hours or more?
    (1). Yes - proceed to Step 3.
    (2). No - this article does not apply. Refer to WSM, Section 303-00 for normal diagnostics.
    3. Replace all 4 variable camshaft timing (VCT) units and the primary timing chain. Refer to WSM, Section 303-01.


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    NOTE: The information in Technical Service Bulletins is intended for use by trained, professional technicians with the knowledge, tools, and equipment to do the job properly and safely. It informs these technicians of conditions that may occur on some vehicles, or provides information that could assist in proper vehicle service. The procedures should not be performed by "do-it-yourselfers". Do not assume that a condition described affects your car or truck. Contact a Ford or Lincoln dealership to determine whether the Bulletin applies to your vehicle. Warranty Policy and Extended Service Plan documentation determine Warranty and/or Extended Service Plan coverage unless stated otherwise in the TSB article. The information in this Technical Service Bulletin (TSB) was current at the time of printing. Ford Motor Company reserves the right to supersede this information with updates. The most recent information is available through Ford Motor Company's on-line technical resources.
    this should work, not the best
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    in case any one is wondering, the new kit is over $400
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    Hey DJ, thank you for this!
    It has been stated numerous times that Ford will not cover this under the 5yr/60,000 mile powertrain warranty, but why exactly is that? When reading the wording of the factory warranty, it specifically states that the timing chain is covered?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elmore328 View Post
    Hey DJ, thank you for this!
    It has been stated numerous times that Ford will not cover this under the 5yr/60,000 mile powertrain warranty, but why exactly is that? When reading the wording of the factory warranty, it specifically states that the timing chain is covered?
    take the ford will not cover it like a grain of salt.

    is the dealer able to verify it? that is the main question to ask


    Soo many people scream and stomp their feet when a dealer can't verify it


    FORD WON'T COVER IT.

    and join a forum to ***** and moan
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    it is indeed covered under factory powertrain. we have done a decent amount here
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    Quote Originally Posted by djfllmn View Post

    Soo many people scream and stomp their feet when a dealer can't verify it

    FORD WON'T COVER IT.

    and join a forum to ***** and moan
    WHAAAAT?!?!? Nobody would ever do that, would they? LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elmore328 View Post
    WHAAAAT?!?!? Nobody would ever do that, would they? LOL

    nope...never lol
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    Mine is back in after having the tsb for the phasers and TC done in august. Was intermittent and they couldnt reproduce earlier this year. It was originally done under PT warranty. Now its off PT warranty but is still under parts and labor warranty from the dealer. They heard it yesterday and agreed and its covered.

    I asked them to do the tensioners as well, manager and foreman said they don't really fail but will do it if I want. Said there was no real labor just cost of the parts as it will be open already. They haven't called me back yet. They seemed to feel that tinkering with more parts may cayuse more of an issue.??? My concern was that the 1st repair only lasted 3 months and we should not just do the same thing.

    How much would the tensioner parts cost me?

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