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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHead_1 View Post
    Ryan, I get that people donít want to give away trade secrets. Sadly, numbers (percentage improvement) at same conditions are all anyone looking to have heads ported has to go on when considering where theyíd have their work done. Head porting is a pretty specialized deal, giving the numbers by themselves is not all that significant. It simply gives an idea of potential increase. Itís how you got those numbers that really counts (move a little bit here and a little more there) and even pictures donít necessarily give that trade secret away.
    It has nothing to do with me or what I share. I am open about most of what we do. I post a ton of content here on the forum and the things I donít post 99.9% of people wont even know are part of a ďsecret sauceĒ so alto speak. I do respect the person and company who are our partners and do our cylinder head work. Their shop name alone is respected among the best cylinder head shops in the world. The records they continue to set, the level of unmatched development work constantly being pushed, and the the constant flow bench testing on heads which they still are perfecting after 20 years, are what makes something great. Two greats combined into one is like something along the lines of a super great or super duper great. You will be hard pressed to have a lot of shops willing to share flow data with anyone. It isnít needed as I think you mentioned. Iíll take the 100% gain over stock flowing head all day and tomorrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JerryTX View Post
    Sorry we did not. I've driven Tom's truck a fair amount and after the initial hit where it is a little more sluggish than mine (he has 33+" tall tires and 3.55 gears, I have stock height tires and 3.73 gears) it is identical and frankly a little scary because the oversize wheels and tires and lift make me a little uneasy. No dyno but it feels almost exactly like mine. If we find an opportunity and the stars align and I can invite Tom to join us on a dyno we will get it done. But trust me after driving it and my own for 26K miles, it's making the numbers.



    We have ported heads sitting on the shelf waiting to go on. There is no doubt that just removing the damn dam and pocket porting will be enough to show big gains on the current setup. Ryan's results show it and our own results seem ridiculous but its a fact: a simple pocket port (and removing the damn dam) results in 75% more intake airflow at .300 lift and 68% more at .400 lift (our max valve lift is .373). So I'm an all stock longblock putting down 470rwhp now. If I take my shiny new ported heads, spend 20 hours bolting them on, and they do exactly what I think they will do (about 550rwhp).. how long do you all think my stock pistons and rods will hold up? In other words, how many hours will the new heads last before shrapnel is chucked into them lol. I've had to have the guys at the shop talk me out of it because it would just be throwing money away. New RMB short block is ready, I was trying to make sure there was nothing left in the current setup (fuel pump, manifolds, intake, tuning) before pulling the engine from the shop truck and going for 26lbs of boost on GT Turbos and maxing them out.



    Ryan's cylinder heads done all out are a thing of beauty for sure! Your engine will be putting up some great numbers as a result. I think for the stock location turbo guys, the full port job is overkill, but if you are going EFRs, heck yeah go all in. I hope to be one of the first out there with just pocket ported heads and upgraded valves and springs and on a forged shortblock, putting up maxed out GT Turbo numbers and running around with a grin from ear to ear every time I hit the go pedal
    Cannot wait for this!! Iím very excited to see the results and just what tweaks have to be made to push the turbos you have to the absolute max. I agree with every target hp number you have set and i pulled mine too fast so this is something Iím following closely

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    Quote Originally Posted by snakebitten View Post
    Come on Jerry, if not you, who? Lol

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    @JerryTX, I see you are "kissing" 500RWHP now with your setup and a 93 Octane tune. Unfortunately, not all of us can get 93 Octane.

    Have you considered trying your engine on a lower octane tune? I suggest this for two reasons:

    1) Obviously not all of us have 93 Octane, and only have 91 Octane at best. It would be interesting to see the difference so people who are "octane limited" can see what they can reasonably expect. If it is 450RWHP on 91 - many people may be more than happy with that.

    2) What about tuning around 87 Octane? With the high price of fuel, many guys may like a built motor that can safely run 87 octane and still get 400-425RWHP.

    In fact, the motor may run safer with a well tuned 87 Octane tune as it can be less stressful on the internals of the motor than a 500RWHP engine. Also, less demands on the HPFP.

    I am sure there are a number of guys, especially with the high price of fuel, that would be very interested in a built engine making a safe 400-425RWHP on an 87 tune. They can still chose to run a higher octane grade of fuel for that safety factor OR they chose to ONLY run Tier 1 Fuel. BUT, if they are FORCED to run a "not-so-name-brand" fuel because they stuck in some back-road hick town in the boonies, they could compensate by buying Premium (that is probably only a good as a Tier One 87).

    I am putting this out for you, as it seems all you would need to do, is get the engine re-tuned for 91 and 87.

    I think you may find a whole new crowd of people are interested in what your truck will do when it runs 91 and 87. AND ... you may find that for 'normal day-to-day' driving, the 87 Octane tune is still a potent tune but MUCH cheaper run every day.

    Finally, with ported heads, more boost and possible a few more mods, your engine may make 600RWHP on a 93 tune - but it will be a short, bright life unless it is built internally to handle the 600RWHP.

    But, if you use those same parts but tuned for 87 Octane, you may have 450 or 500RWHP and an engine that can last due to less stress with a slightly de-tuned engine that can run 87 Octane.

    Again, you may attract a new crowd of interested customers - who want to run 87 Octane but also want more RWHP - and willing to buy the parts they need. For many, the savings they will have on 87 Octane could help justify the cost of the parts.

    PS: I posted this in your other post in the Performance Forum as not everyone comes to your Vendor Forum. But I think others (especially those who run 87 Octane) should see this.
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    Hey everyone...I'm back. Truck is still incredible as ever and love driving it. I am a tournament bass fisherman and pull the boat with the upgrades and its honestly better than my old F250. But the fun is the daily driving. Jerry and his team did an amazing job on the truck and I have no regrets....

    That said..... I have the truck up for sale. I contemplated getting a Class C or B motorhome to pull the boat and have my "base" versus the crappy motels but have decided on a Slide in Camper. I found the camper but have not found the truck yet. Been looking at 1 ton DRW and have driven a few...Actually found 2 that I would have bought that day but dealerships and their F&*()ing NADA stance will eventually drive me nuts. As most know, they won't give you credit for what the truck actually is, they are quoting trade offers that are basically the same as if I brought in a bone stock truck with bald tires, no exterior enhancements etc....Just the NADA number (and dealer number at that).

    So.....If anyone knows someone that wants a turn-key truck that Jerry's team built, I have it in my driveway. I'll even throw in a "check up cost" at Jerry's shop for peace of mind.

    I've posted on CL and Auto Trader with the usual scam or kid responses....I am ready to go. I have it listed for $29K, best dealer offer has been $23K. If someone comes along with $27, I'll let it go (I owe $29K still but will pay the difference).

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    One more deal sweetener....I'll throw in this Kodiak Truck Tent made for this F150 !!! That was not cheap!

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