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Hey all, so my wife and I have a bit of a conundrum - in that I didn't check the payload sticker of my truck before we bought it (long story, I did research on a comparable truck assuming the payloads would be comparable - I was wrong).

Long post ahead.

We need to tow a TT with the following specs:
7700lbs GVWR, 5700 dry
33'

With the following truck (options listed relevant to towing):
2014 F150 FX4 SuperCrew
3.5L Ecoboost 6 speed automatic
20" wheels (P class factory installed, 4050 RAWR)
Standard towing package (7200 GVWR)
Brake controller
Auxillary transmission cooler
36 gallon tank
Anti-sway (truck)
3.55 gears
e2 WDH w/ anti-sway
15,500 GCVWR
7,200 GVWR
4050 Rear GAWR
3750 Front GAWR
1135 payload, from door sticker

With the following payload:
485lbs of people (3 of us that could use a bit of diet and exercise)
120lbs of dog
~845lbs of tongue weight, 12% of 7,042lbs estimated actual TT weight, 917lbs @12%

Leaving us about 486lbs over GVWR, @93% of GCVWR, @98.5% of combined axle ratings of 7800. Ouch. This is with a fully loaded trailer, towing with full tanks, and 12% tongue weight. Our more realistic scenario would be 10-11% tongue weight, towing with empty tanks, and less "stuff" in the trailer. In a real world scenario with some thought about what we're packing in the trailer and how we're loading w/r/t weight distribution, especially for long drives we're probably about 386lbs over GVWR and @88% of GCVWR.

To note I have towed this setup quite well already, not realizing I was over payload/GVWR up into the mountains near Lake Tahoe (5-6+% grades both ways, +5,000 ft elevation), through some pretty windy stuff on a freeway and it towed excellently. My wife even towed her first time with this truck compared to our previous 3500 and thought it towed really well. This truck legitimately handled it wonderfully which is why I'm partially surprised it's over payload in a significant way. It could be because our trailer was nearly empty besides tanks. We just don't carry much. However I like to "prepare for the worst, hope for the best" hence this post.

First, my gripe: we have all options factory installed that are included with the Max towing package according to Ford's fleet towing guide for 2014 except for mirrors, a class V hitch, and 3.73 gears. Why in the world is there a 500lb GVWR difference? The 3.55 was plenty capable in some steep mountains and around town. My guess is they don't test extra-curricular individual options outside of major options, which means more than likely this truck can safely tow this load. I may be wrong, but it's the only thing that makes sense. Why wouldn't the GVWR go up and down depending on options? The payload does. I have been reading every f150 forum in the world (it seems like) and everyone talks about safety when going over GVWR, which is the most relevant thing there is in this discussion, but no one seems to mention why the GVWR is so static regardless of equipment, even though it can be espoused as a holy number and you'll kill your family if you go over it. [/end gripe]

So I was thinking of cutting some weight just to meet this GVWR and prevent any possible issues that could come from being over GVWR:
We have 20" wheels
Running boards
A spare tire
A tailgate step
Skid plates

According to this guide: https://www.fleet.ford.com/truckbbas/topics/2014/14_TruckPayload_SB.pdf we can cut around over 200lbs, or increase our payload around 200lbs by deleting the above options, all of which are relatively expendable. Running a mindfully packed trailer and truck with a full tank of gas that puts us around 112lbs over GVWR with all of us in the truck. My question is (and I'm hoping to spark some discussion with all of my points above): is it worth it to delete these options? I know I'm legal being over GVWR if not wise, and I'm surely not being negligent using common sense, but again prepare for the worst and hope for the best. Would you delete these options? Can you tell me your thought process either way?

Obviously we wouldn't delete the wheels :p but we could do 17-18" light wheels with LT class tires. That included is actually closer to 300lbs cut not 200lbs if my math is right, which it may not be.

Thanks for reading. This is about 20 hours worth of research and consideration laid out which is somewhat crazy, but I don't want to admit to the old lady I messed up on our truck recommendation too much, so I'm hoping to see what if anything you guys have to say :).

My towing calculator spreadsheet for reference: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...zoO47Fhraee/pubhtml?widget=true&headers=false
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This includes the current truck and around what I'd expect the trailer to weigh. Dry wt is actually curb which is why I didn't include fuel. (GVWR-Curb = 1135# payload)
 

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That's quite the write up... which you probably should've looked into prior to purchasing the truck.
I have a much quicker and shorter reply though. I would not delete any options, but would instead travel with the water tanks empty. That should get you close enough to being "legal". Your current overweight situation is nothing compared to some stuff we've all seen out on the roads.
 

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Honestly @ 112lbs over you should be fine. As long as you are set up correctly and it drives well.

I'll put it to you this way, if I have all my "big" buddies in the truck and baggage/gear in the bed, I'm over GVWR. The truck drives and stops just fine and doesn't concern me. You have to remain within your comfort level. Personally, I would be more concerned if you were maxing out the rear GAWR.

Just a suggestion, I put in a set of Pro-Comp Add-A-Leafs and fox 2.0's. Technically hurt the available payload, but made the truck much more stable with weight. Very happy with them and no messing with bags.
 

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That's quite the write up... which you probably should've looked into prior to purchasing the truck.
I have a much quicker and shorter reply though. I would not delete any options, but would instead travel with the water tanks empty. That should get you close enough to being "legal". Your current overweight situation is nothing compared to some stuff we've all seen out on the roads.
Yep I definitely should have. I did research on a same year Lariat with comparable options (no max tow etc), and I used my tow calculator and all was good. I didn't realize the payload differed between vehicles. I'm a brand new tower and as always I learn something new every time I buy a vehicle. Instead of crunching numbers on this particular truck I just drove through the windiest area around and up and down some mountains to see how it felt.

Yeah it's about 340lbs over with empty tanks and a near-fully loaded trailer, hypothetically. I'm going to hit up a CAT scale when the RV is out of the service shop (warranty work) to see where I stand.

Honestly @ 112lbs over you should be fine. As long as you are set up correctly and it drives well.

I'll put it to you this way, if I have all my "big" buddies in the truck and baggage/gear in the bed, I'm over GVWR. The truck drives and stops just fine and doesn't concern me. You have to remain within your comfort level. Personally, I would be more concerned if you were maxing out the rear GAWR.

Just a suggestion, I put in a set of Pro-Comp Add-A-Leafs and fox 2.0's. Technically hurt the available payload, but made the truck much more stable with weight. Very happy with them and no messing with bags.
Cool I'll check those out. It's probably closer to 300-495 lbs over I think, but I'm not even completely sure what the tongue actually weighs. I'll be testing soon.

Yeah the payload on my sister's 4Runner is higher than an F150 it's insane! I was thinking the same thing - a few of my bigger family members and I'm over payload.

Thanks for the input. I'll hold of deleting any options for now until I get this all scaled.
 

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I'm a big confused why your payload is so low. I've got almost the exact same truck and my door says 1,401# payload. Is yours a fully loaded platinum or something?

I've got a XLT with 18" wheels. Plenty of the electronic gadgets like backup camera, power windows, etc.

Edit: I didn't see a bed length listed for your truck. Mine is a 5.5ft bed. Maybe the 6.5 bed drops it as the truck will weigh more?
 

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Hey all, so my wife and I have a bit of a conundrum - in that I didn't check the payload sticker of my truck before we bought it (long story, I did research on a comparable truck assuming the payloads would be comparable - I was wrong).

Long post ahead.

We need to tow a TT with the following specs:
7700lbs GVWR, 5700 dry
33'

With the following truck (options listed relevant to towing):
2014 F150 FX4 SuperCrew
3.5L Ecoboost 6 speed automatic
20" wheels (P class factory installed, 4050 RAWR)
Standard towing package (7200 GVWR)
Brake controller
Auxillary transmission cooler
36 gallon tank
Anti-sway (truck)
3.55 gears
e2 WDH w/ anti-sway
15,500 GCVWR
7,200 GVWR
4050 Rear GAWR
3750 Front GAWR
1135 payload, from door sticker

With the following payload:
485lbs of people (3 of us that could use a bit of diet and exercise)
120lbs of dog
~845lbs of tongue weight, 12% of 7,042lbs estimated actual TT weight, 917lbs @12%

Leaving us about 486lbs over GVWR, @93% of GCVWR, @98.5% of combined axle ratings of 7800. Ouch. This is with a fully loaded trailer, towing with full tanks, and 12% tongue weight. Our more realistic scenario would be 10-11% tongue weight, towing with empty tanks, and less "stuff" in the trailer. In a real world scenario with some thought about what we're packing in the trailer and how we're loading w/r/t weight distribution, especially for long drives we're probably about 386lbs over GVWR and @88% of GCVWR.

To note I have towed this setup quite well already, not realizing I was over payload/GVWR up into the mountains near Lake Tahoe (5-6+% grades both ways, +5,000 ft elevation), through some pretty windy stuff on a freeway and it towed excellently. My wife even towed her first time with this truck compared to our previous 3500 and thought it towed really well. This truck legitimately handled it wonderfully which is why I'm partially surprised it's over payload in a significant way. It could be because our trailer was nearly empty besides tanks. We just don't carry much. However I like to "prepare for the worst, hope for the best" hence this post.

First, my gripe: we have all options factory installed that are included with the Max towing package according to Ford's fleet towing guide for 2014 except for mirrors, a class V hitch, and 3.73 gears. Why in the world is there a 500lb GVWR difference? The 3.55 was plenty capable in some steep mountains and around town. My guess is they don't test extra-curricular individual options outside of major options, which means more than likely this truck can safely tow this load. I may be wrong, but it's the only thing that makes sense. Why wouldn't the GVWR go up and down depending on options? The payload does. I have been reading every f150 forum in the world (it seems like) and everyone talks about safety when going over GVWR, which is the most relevant thing there is in this discussion, but no one seems to mention why the GVWR is so static regardless of equipment, even though it can be espoused as a holy number and you'll kill your family if you go over it. [/end gripe]

So I was thinking of cutting some weight just to meet this GVWR and prevent any possible issues that could come from being over GVWR:
We have 20" wheels
Running boards
A spare tire
A tailgate step
Skid plates

According to this guide: https://www.fleet.ford.com/truckbbas/topics/2014/14_TruckPayload_SB.pdf we can cut around over 200lbs, or increase our payload around 200lbs by deleting the above options, all of which are relatively expendable. Running a mindfully packed trailer and truck with a full tank of gas that puts us around 112lbs over GVWR with all of us in the truck. My question is (and I'm hoping to spark some discussion with all of my points above): is it worth it to delete these options? I know I'm legal being over GVWR if not wise, and I'm surely not being negligent using common sense, but again prepare for the worst and hope for the best. Would you delete these options? Can you tell me your thought process either way?

Obviously we wouldn't delete the wheels :p but we could do 17-18" light wheels with LT class tires. That included is actually closer to 300lbs cut not 200lbs if my math is right, which it may not be.

Thanks for reading. This is about 20 hours worth of research and consideration laid out which is somewhat crazy, but I don't want to admit to the old lady I messed up on our truck recommendation too much, so I'm hoping to see what if anything you guys have to say :).

My towing calculator spreadsheet for reference: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...zoO47Fhraee/pubhtml?widget=true&headers=false
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This includes the current truck and around what I'd expect the trailer to weigh. Dry wt is actually curb which is why I didn't include fuel. (GVWR-Curb = 1135# payload)
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Thats strange. In 2014, are the FX4s still upmodel versions of XLTs?
 

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I'm a big confused why your payload is so low. I've got almost the exact same truck and my door says 1,401# payload. Is yours a fully loaded platinum or something?

I've got a XLT with 18" wheels. Plenty of the electronic gadgets like backup camera, power windows, etc.

Edit: I didn't see a bed length listed for your truck. Mine is a 5.5ft bed. Maybe the 6.5 bed drops it as the truck will weigh more?
The 6.5 ft beds are several hundred lbs heavier than the 5.5’. The 6.5 supercrews use the heavier duty HD Payload Package frame by default which is a bit thicker than the regular trucks and then you have the extra foot in length on top of that.

My Lariat screw 6.5’ is 6140 lbs as measure on a cat scale. I have max tow though so my payload is still 1560 lbs.


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Weird. My 2014 xlt SCLB 4x4 max tow has a payload of 1800 lbs. It's higher than most I've seen in a similar configuration. I didn't order anything different except the max tow option.

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I'd say pack light as possible and tow on. Being over payload is a comfort level, and you've already stated you and your wife has experienced how it handles and are satisfied. Maybe add some airbags and enjoy the drive. I wouldn't delete any options. My 2014 has ~1750 lbs payload but I have max tow.
 
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