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I have a 2013 F150 XLT, 4x4, 3.5. Only got about 900 miles on so far. Just wondering about the different brands of gas, and if anyone can tell a change in mileage or performance, from one or the other.
 

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I go where the gas is cheapest. I have not noticed any difference when using various brands. I have however noticed that I get better fuel economy with 10% ethanol than with 100% gas.

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I run either Sunoco 87 or Giant Eagle 87 (when I get furl points to drop the price per gallon). I haven't noticed any difference in mileage with either.
 

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That is interesting SPPD. I tried 1/2 tank of ethanol free 91 octane to see if I could improve my towing mileage and would agree that it doesn't seem to help. I was towing against a head / cross wind so interested in the mpg on the trip home.

My best runs this summer have been with Holiday gas station premium 92 octane. I have had a couple of runs just shy of 24 mpg and another just shy of 26 mpg with this brand. I have been running premium this summer for towing, not necessarily for fuel economy.
 

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I go where the gas is cheapest. I have not noticed any difference when using various brands. I have however noticed that I get better fuel economy with 10% ethanol than with 100% gas.

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Interesting. I tried this as well, filled up with 28 gallons of ethanol free 91 octane, and drove around 300 highway miles getting barely 17 mpg. Went back to the cheapest 87 octane 10pct ethanol and am getting over 20mpg.

The exact opposite was true on my 5.7 tundra Crewmax.
 

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It seems counter intuitive, but these beasts like the 10% corn. Every vehicle I have owned would give me 1 or 2 extra mpgs with real gas, but not so with the EcoBeast.

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Run the lowest octane fuel that your engine can operate on and you will get the best fuel economy. All octane does is make the fuel harder to ignite. That kills fuel economy. Higher octane fuel is necessary in some engines or instances when you'd get 'pinging'/detonation from lower octane fuels. Your 'High Peformance' cars that run high compression ratio engines and aggressive timing need higher octane to ensure the sparkplug ignites the fuel instead of it pre-igniting ...again 'ping'/detonation. Technology today has allowed us to have 10:1 compression AND twin turbos AND run 87 octane. Take advantage of it. As far as ethanol goes the facts are that is only has half the BTUs as gasoline. So 10% ethanol fuel nets 95% of the BTUs that 100% gasoline does. It is a 5% weaker fuel. To put it into nice round numbers, in conditions that you'd get 20 mpg on eth fuel you'd get 21 mpg on 100% gas. I do the math on the price per gallon and make the decision based on how much am I paying per mile. If ethanol is $3.50/gal and GAS is $3.65/gal and I'm getting 18mpg average in my conditions then with ethanol I'm paying 19.4 cents per mile to drive the truck with gas I'm paying 19.3 cents per mile (you have to add .9 to 18 to get the milage gain from GAS). So as you can see it can be a difference of splitting hairs when it comes to cost but GAS does give you 5% more range as well. I worked as a Refinery Lab Tech for 13 years. Too often folks fall for the stigmatism that is 'PREMIUM' fuel. That word 'Premium' sounds like it has better ingredients or better quality. It doesn't. Its there to sell it to you. Look at the octane rating as you would your shoe size. Do you buy size 14s when you wear size 10s? If you are going to be in HIGH engine load conditions then higher octane will be beneficial. If you are running performance tunes then higher octane will allow more boost and timing. If you are just routinely driving your truck under normal everyday circumstances then don't bother wasting your money.
 

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Run the lowest octane fuel that your engine can operate on and you will get the best fuel economy. All octane does is make the fuel harder to ignite. That kills fuel economy. Higher octane fuel is necessary in some engines or instances when you'd get 'pinging'/detonation from lower octane fuels. Your 'High Peformance' cars that run high compression ratio engines and aggressive timing need higher octane to ensure the sparkplug ignites the fuel instead of it pre-igniting ...again 'ping'/detonation. Technology today has allowed us to have 10:1 compression AND twin turbos AND run 87 octane. Take advantage of it. As far as ethanol goes the facts are that is only has half the BTUs as gasoline. So 10% ethanol fuel nets 95% of the BTUs that 100% gasoline does. It is a 5% weaker fuel. To put it into nice round numbers, in conditions that you'd get 20 mpg on eth fuel you'd get 21 mpg on 100% gas. I do the math on the price per gallon and make the decision based on how much am I paying per mile. If ethanol is $3.50/gal and GAS is $3.65/gal and I'm getting 18mpg average in my conditions then with ethanol I'm paying 19.4 cents per mile to drive the truck with gas I'm paying 19.3 cents per mile (you have to add .9 to 18 to get the milage gain from GAS). So as you can see it can be a difference of splitting hairs when it comes to cost but GAS does give you 5% more range as well. I worked as a Refinery Lab Tech for 13 years. Too often folks fall for the stigmatism that is 'PREMIUM' fuel. That word 'Premium' sounds like it has better ingredients or better quality. It doesn't. Its there to sell it to you. Look at the octane rating as you would your shoe size. Do you buy size 14s when you wear size 10s? If you are going to be in HIGH engine load conditions then higher octane will be beneficial. If you are running performance tunes then higher octane will allow more boost and timing. If you are just routinely driving your truck under normal everyday circumstances then don't bother wasting your money.
I would agree with this statement 100% and would laugh at anyone that disputed this, but my real world numbers with the EcoBeast dispute this. I track my economy with every tank of gas, and when I have used real gas my economy has dropped by 2 or more mpgs Avg.

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I would agree with this statement 100% and would laugh at anyone that disputed this, but my real world numbers with the EcoBeast dispute this. I track my economy with every tank of gas, and when I have used real gas my economy has dropped by 2 or more mpgs Avg.

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While I respect your findings there is truly no way to accurately test the differences in our trucks on the road in the real world. Under controlled testing conditions ONLY can you see and measure the EXACT differences. Remember you are also trusting the gas stations and fuel truck operators to deliver what you are buying. Do not think that 100% GAS hasn't ended up in fuel tanks that typically hold the 10% eth fuels and vise versa. A friend of mine drove a fuel truck and the things that happen like unloading regular 87 into the premium tanks by mistake are not unheard of..... Even when conditions lend themselves the most to duplication of testing environments you still have the human element of the driver. Truth is the difference in eth and non eth is not worth mentioning money wise. I fully support the decision to do what you are comfortable with. I know how you feel. You may CONSISTANTLY find your results support your decision but what does it mean when I find that non eth fuel gives me better economy? This is a situation where real world tests are not going to give you accurate 'laboratory' precision results. Its best to do what works for you with the eth vs non eth.
 

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This is what I've found. Ive tried all three grades and get the same avg. But If I use regular when filling up i save between $5-6 compared to using premium. With those savings after 15.5 fill ups I have saved enough to get a tank of regular lol.
 

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High octane is defiantly overrated and not needed most of the time when people think it is. I made 540wheel hp with my focus on 93 0ctane 28psi of boost and 15º of timing. The focus "experts" would have ripped me a new one on the forum if I had asked if you could do that. I didn't ask I just did it. However, with 110 octane it made 560 on 25psi and 23 degrees of timing. So less boost more timing more power.

On to the brand of gas, in the truck I've run pretty much all of it and can't tell any difference. In the focus I always ran BP because they had a separate pump handle and hose for 93. But that was the main reason. In eastern nc we have HESS and they claim to only use oil from US company's I do like that but their pumps are so damn slow! When getting 30+ gallons it can be a pain.
 

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This is the outcome I was hopeing for. I have seen the same thing in my cars and trucks. To start with you dont know what your getting at the pump, other than that I can't tell the difference. What about additives, like chevron techron with the cheep gas. Does it have any benefit.
 
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