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Ok, I am going to open this discussion up (I suspect it will get pretty lengthy). I came from the diesel world as most of you know and from the duramax platform specifically. I had a few with over 700 wrhp daily drivers with twin turbos and such, with duramax tuner tunes (calibratedtuning)

I still follow the diesel scene and came across well known tuner who used to tune my duramax who is offering adaptive tuning to utilize E mixtures (E85) with no added fuel system upgrades (just tuning). I spoke to him extensively and looks like I will be trying this platform. It is expensive, but if it allows me to auto adjust and use E fuels and have quick file changes, seems like a game changer for use EcoBoosters!.

Happy Researching........ would love to hear your thoughts, comments, concerns......


 

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I am intrigued and also have worked with CPS on a Cummins platform with EFI Live. I like that they complete all testing on 4WD dyno.


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Yeah, i was under the impression HPTuners unlocked the ability to run a ethanol sensor on the PCM’s of the newer trucks. The 11-14 don’t have this ability, or they never unlocked it, which is why they don’t have the SMART tunes for them I assume.

I dont think this means you are gunna just be able dump E85 in the tank and make 600 rwhp on a 3.5 though. The only engine i am aware of that can max out on E85 is the 2018+ 2.7 with the dual injection, and only because it doesnt make as much power to begin with due to the smaller displacement and turbos.
 

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Yeah, i was under the impression HPTuners unlocked the ability to run a ethanol sensor on the PCM’s of the newer trucks. The 11-14 don’t have this ability, or they never unlocked it, which is why they don’t have the SMART tunes for them I assume.

I dont think this means you are gunna just be able dump E85 in the tank and make 600 rwhp on a 3.5 though. The only engine i am aware of that can max out on E85 is the 2018+ 2.7 with the dual injection, and only because it doesnt make as much power to begin with due to the smaller displacement and turbos.

Agreed and I am not expecting 600hp with out some other mods, but yo maximize the tune with the best and highest fuel mixture sure can't hurt.
 
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Yeah, i was under the impression HPTuners unlocked the ability to run a ethanol sensor on the PCM’s of the newer trucks. The 11-14 don’t have this ability, or they never unlocked it, which is why they don’t have the SMART tunes for them I assume.

I dont think this means you are gunna just be able dump E85 in the tank and make 600 rwhp on a 3.5 though. The only engine i am aware of that can max out on E85 is the 2018+ 2.7 with the dual injection, and only because it doesnt make as much power to begin with due to the smaller displacement and turbos.

Spoke again to calibrated tuning and they do suggest an upgraded fuel enhancements for full E85, but t run E50 and down, there is no need. The full work up with 6 tunes and the EZ Lynk will be a tad under a $1000.(just call it a $1000)

Having the option to mix premium fuel with a portion of E85 to stay in the E30-50 range should net a much better performance at the track and everyday

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Are you going to be the guinea pig? I like the thought that you do not have to be exact with your mixture. Unlike 5 Star’s E30. I know it is not difficult but a little hassle when going back and forth to the pump depending on fuel level.
 

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Spoke again to calibrated tuning and they do suggest an upgraded fuel enhancements for full E85, but t run E50 and down, there is no need. The full work up with 6 tunes and the EZ Lynk will be a tad under a $1000.(just call it a $1000)

Having the option to mix premium fuel with a portion of E85 to stay in the E30-50 range should net a much better performance at the track and everyday

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Are they using a sensor to detect the ethanol content or is the PCM inferring the E% based on how its responding.
 

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Are you going to be the guinea pig? I like the thought that you do not have to be exact with your mixture. Unlike 5 Star’s E30. I know it is not difficult but a little hassle when going back and forth to the pump depending on fuel level.

Guinea pig, no. He has tuned a few already and I have spoken to him extensively and I have joined his group with others running the tunes, so gaining info as we speak. He is no stranger to tuning and has tuned 1000's of Duramax vehicles and is one of the leaders in that industry. He has a reputation for great customer service and puts out clean quality tunes and had been in business for years.

I am not worried about his ability, knowledge, reputation or business.

I plan on staying between an E20 to E30 mixture (93 to 95 octane) if my calculations are correct for gallons of premium to gallons of E85
 

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Are they using a sensor to detect the ethanol content or is the PCM inferring the E% based on how its responding.
My understanding the factory sensor in reading off their EZ Lynk PCM tuning.
 

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Are they using a sensor to detect the ethanol content or is the PCM inferring the E% based on how its responding.
Took this from their page.... of course I am educating my self as we do along.

Flex Tuning & SMART Files
E-85 compatibility no longer requires a massive fuel system overhaul for many of these trucks. Through extensive calibration and road testing, we can now unlock your trucks' ability to measure and immediately adjust for blends of ethanol up to 85%. Our SMART Files make this possible by utilizing OEM sensors and understanding the factory algorithms used to calculate the ethanol content. (List of Supported SMART Ethanol Capable Models)


Like I said, they do suggest the high pressure fuel pump for E85 and even over the E50 range. No claim, zero fuel pump enhancements needed for the E30 mixture. To me this is huge for the average guy and for the ability to get all the benefits of the EZ Lynk system
 

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I hate to have to buy another device, I'd love to stick with SCT, but I'd love to have a tune with some ability to detect e content!

Also, from what I understand, there IS no factory sensor. Even on the flex fuel (5.0) trucks. The truck infers e content based on several parameters it can measure (I think it's largely fuel trim based?).

But, apparently it's really VERY accurate in its e calculation.

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There is no sensor, it uses fuel trims to adjust for ethanol content.

It works extremely well.

Once mine determines the ethanol content it believes it is, it never bounces around by more than 10% e content.
 

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There is no sensor, it uses fuel trims to adjust for ethanol content.

It works extremely well.

Once mine determines the ethanol content it believes it is, it never bounces around by more than 10% e content.
You have a flex fuel vehicle, or you have found a way to monitor e on your eco?

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You have a flex fuel vehicle, or you have found a way to monitor e on your eco?

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HPTuners supposedly unlocks the "code" to get the e content function from my understanding. It was there, they just had to turn it on. It would just kinda figure it out based on how the fuel was responding in the cylinders and how the O2 sensors were reading the AFR.

That's why I had asked if it was a sensor or not, the details on their website almost made it sound like they added something to read the fuel.
 

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I have heard people kick around the idea that it was in there somewhere, I just don't know that I've ever heard for sure that it has been done.

I would imagine, if it's in there, it's possible for SCT to access it also. No? @Boostking ?

I would just like to be able to see the inferred e content. Even if we never had the ability for the truck to react to the content in the tune. It would possibly make me mixing my e50 tanks easier.

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TO UPDATE,

They have released more detail and i am seeing more of a following with users with great results with mile E mixtures. More I follow and the more I read,the more i am likely to pull the trigger. One great positive thing is the reported transmission lock up and performance. (we all know I am a GH fan for this reason)

Take a good read and please let me know your thought, particularly the guys with extensive tuning knowledge or understanding of

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Introducing EcoBoost Tuning for the F150 and Raptor from Calibrated Power Solutions home of DuramaxTuner.com! The EcoBoost platform has interested CPS since they were they were offered in the F150. While our focus for the past decade-plus has been the diesel truck market, we love torque - big turbocharger electronically controlled torque curves are our bread and butter.
The R&D team here worked hard to push the market by adding the same refined caliber of support we offer in the diesel industry. Hitting the horsepower and torque numbers is important. However, balancing that performance with so that the package delivers power will all the refinement and dependability you expect out of your truck. This means matching the power delivery to the shift schedule and torque converter lockup strategy so that your new found torque makes it directly to the tires.
That’s why we're proud to offer a wide range of supported trucks, and available tuning files, on EZ Lynk, nGauge and MPVI2 hardware for the 3.5L EcoBoost found in the 2011-2020 F150 and the 2.7L in the 2015-2020 F150, as well as the 3.5L in the 2017-2020 Raptor.
Flex Tuning & SMART Files with TCM Tuning
E-85 blended fuel compatibility no longer requires a massive fuel system overhaul for many of these trucks. Through extensive calibration and road testing, we can now unlock your trucks' ability to measure and immediately adjust for blends of ethanol from 0-45% in factory trim (2015+ 3.5L) and even straight E85 in 2017+ 2.7L trucks. Our SMART Files make this possible by utilizing OEM sensors and understanding the factory algorithms used to calculate the ethanol content.
TCM tuning from CPS allows you to take full advantage of the meaty torque curve on tap with our engine tuning. Our goal is to use your new found torque to keep average engine RPM down which maximizes operating efficiency and fuel mileage (especially while towing). Gaining speed on the highway no longer requires a downshift to raise RPM for extra power, instead you'll find your tuned Ecoboost able to hold the gear it's in and pull effortlessly through the rev range. Under heavy load you'll feel the extra bite in the shifts offered by line pressure raised to match your power level. You'll also feel the torque converter lockup as the turbos build boost, allowing the truck to put all of it's power to road without any of the parasitic waste previously experienced with simple hydraulic coupling. All Ecoboost support packs from CPS include TCM tuning.
2011-2014 (No Ethanol blend support)
2015-2016 2.7/3.5 (Ethanol blends up to 45% with factory hardware); Higher blends compatible with higher capacity fuel pumps
2017-2020 2.7 (Ethanol blends up to 85% with factory hardware)
2017-2020 3.5L (Ethanol blends up to 45% with factory hardware); Higher blends compatible with higher capacity fuel pumps
Transmission Tuning Strategy
As power and torque are increased, transmission line pressure and torque converter engagement pressures are raised to competently handle the load. At low load and part throttle the truck still shifts nice and smooth like factory, while at higher loads you'll notice a firmer engagement. We're careful not ruin the refinement and comfort that makes the platform such a great daily driver. Whether daily driving in town to lugging a load up a steep grade, your transmission tune is going to make a huge difference in how well the truck uses it's extra power. Every Ecoboost support pack includes transmission tuning.

MODELYearStockFlex TowE TowFlex SportE SportFlex RaceE Race
WHPWTQ+WHP+WTQ+WHP+WTQ+WHP+WTQ+WHP+WTQ+WHP+WTQ+WHP+WTQ
Ford F150 2.7L2015 - 2017325377+45+49+55+60+65+66+85+70****
Ford F150 2.7L2017 - 2020325377+45+49+55+60+65+66+85+70****
Ford Raptor 3.5L2017 - 2020349379+50+90+85+110+110+120+130+160+130+121+167+210
Ford F150 3.5L2017 - 2020342407+50+90+85+110+110+120+130+160+130+121+144+165
Ford F150 3.5L2015 - 2016334400+30+60**+80+100**+100110**
Ford F150 3.5L
NONFLEX***
2011 - 2014 330 390+30+60**+55+80**+75+100**
* = Coming Soon
Flex Tow
-Designed for towing. All temperature and torque reductions are in place to keep the trucks' powertrain protected from thermal overload and abuse. CPS does not recommend towing over the GVWR of the vehicle and expects the driver to use good judgement to avoid abusing the vehicle with the extra power. Situations like full throttle starts and excessive lugging in manual mode can and will cause parts degradation.
Built for towing while running any Octane gasoline with E0 - E30 ethanol content. Use of higher octane fuel will support more power, torque, and better mileage.
E Tow
-Designed for towing with Ethanol blended fuel (E30-E45 recommended). All temperature and torque reductions are in place to keep the trucks' powertrain protected from thermal overload and abuse. CPS does not recommend towing over the GVWR of the vehicle and expects the driver to use good judgement to avoid abusing the vehicle with the extra power. Situations like full throttle starts and excessive lugging in manual mode can and will cause parts degradation.
Built for towing while running any Octane gasoline blended with E85 for E30 - E45 ethanol content. Use of higher octane fuel will support more power, torque, and better mileage.
Flex Sport
- The Sport tune is your go to daily driver file. This is the best balance of performance, reliability and economy for daily use. The file has loosened up torque limits and more power than the tow tune, but with most of the relevant safety features still enabled. This tune is not designed to be used for towing. It’s intended to be used without a load behind it.
Built for routine unloaded use running any Octane gasoline with E0 - E30 ethanol content. Use of higher octane fuel will support more power, torque, and better mileage.
E Sport
- The Sport tune is your go to daily driver file. This is the best balance of performance, reliability and economy for daily use. The file has loosened up torque limits and more power than the tow tune, but with most of the relevant safety features still enabled. This tune is not designed to be used for towing. It’s intended to be used without a load behind it.
Built for routine unloaded use running any Octane gasoline blended with E85 for E30 - E45 ethanol content. Use of higher octane fuel will support more power, torque, and better mileage.
Flex Race
-The Race tune is your max effort file supporting a leaner fuel curve, mostly removed torque protection, and significantly looser thermal limits for optimized power. High Flow downpipes and intakes are recommended for Race files. We also recommend the use of an upgraded fuel pump in the tank such as the Deatchwerks 400 or similar to avoid power loss from fuel system limitations.
This is the max effort tune while running 91-93 gasoline with E0 - E30 ethanol content
E Race
-The Race tune is your max effort file supporting a leaner fuel curve, mostly removed torque protection, and significantly looser thermal limits for optimized power. High Flow downpipes and intakes are recommended for Race files. We also recommend the use of an upgraded fuel pump in the tank such as the Deatchwerks 400 or similar to avoid power loss from fuel system limitations.
This is the max effort tune while running 91-93 gasoline with E30 - E45 ethanol content
Tow Tunes are designed just for that, towing. All temperature and torque reductions are in place to keep the trucks' powertrain protected from thermal overload and abuse. CPS does not recommend towing over the GVWR of the vehicle and expects the driver to use good judgment to avoid abusing the vehicle with the extra power. Situations like full-throttle starts and excessive lugging in manual mode can and will cause parts degradation.
Sport tunes are your go-to daily driver file. This is the best balance of performance, reliability, and economy for daily use. The file has loosened up torque limits and more power than the tow tune, but most of the relevant safety features still enabled. This tune is not designed to be used for towing. It’s intended to be used without a load behind it.
Race tunes are your max effort file supporting a leaner fuel curve, mostly removed torque protection and significantly looser thermal limits for optimized power. High Flow downpipes and intakes are recommended for Race files. We also recommend the use of an upgraded fuel pump in the tank such as the Deatchwerks 400 or similar to avoid power loss from fuel system limitations. More power is usually available in these files by using an upgraded high pressure fuel pump as well.
The Ethanol specific tunes (2015+ model year) are the same logic but we are able to take advantage of the higher octane and cooling benefits of E30-E45 fuel by starting with a more advanced timing curve and revised air-fuel curves in each file. Best performance is generally a balance between fuel system ability and octane rating. The higher the ethanol content in the fuel system, the higher the octane, but the more fuel system capacity is required as the system requires more fuel volume to make the same power when ethanol concentration increases. With Ethanol, we highly recommend running a Deatchwerks 400 or similar fuel pump at a minimum. Intakes, charger air pipes, intercooler & downpipes will all benefit the truck while running the Race-Ethanol (or the Race-Flex) file.
If you’re interested in running straight E85 at full power you’ll want to consider an upgraded pump in-tank and an upgraded high-pressure fuel pump. If your truck is modified beyond the descriptions above and you’re unsure which tune file best fits the application please call us. Our team at CPS is happy to help coach you through this process. Call us at 815-568-7920 to discuss specifics.
Our EcoBoost Tuner & Support Pack allows you to safely increase the horsepower and torque of your truck! Our extensive testing has provided us industry-leading horsepower numbers and reliability results. We spent the time on the dyno, on the street, and at the track, so we know you're truck is going to run the best it ever has!
We've also developed these features:
  • Tune Only Flex-Fuel Conversion (see details below to verify your model offers this feature)
  • Realtime Adaptive Octane Tuning
  • Custom Transmission Tuning Included
  • Wider Effective Torque Curve
2017 - 2020 F150, 3.5L
  • Increase Horsepower and Torque
  • Quicker 0-60 MPH
  • Improved Shift Quality
  • SMART Files for Flex Ethanol Included
  • Available on EZ Lynk, nGauge & MPVI2
  • Baseline HP /Torque
    • Flex Tow
    • Flex Sport
    • Flex Race
    • E Tow
    • E Sport
    • E Race
2017 - 2020 Raptor, 3.5L
  • Increase Horsepower and Torque
  • Quicker 0-60 MPH
  • Improved Shift Quality
  • SMART Files for Flex Ethanol Included
  • Available on EZ Lynk, nGauge & MPVI2
  • Baseline HP /Torque
    • Flex Tow
    • Flex Sport
    • Flex Race
    • E Tow
    • E Sport
    • E Race
2018 - 2020 F150, 2.7L
  • Increase Horsepower and Torque
  • Quicker 0-60 MPH
  • Improved Shift Quality
  • SMART Files for Flex Ethanol Included
  • Available on EZ Lynk, nGauge & MPVI2
  • Baseline HP /Torque
    • Flex Tow
    • Flex Sport
    • Flex Race
    • E Tow
    • E Sport
    • E Race
2015 - 2017 F150, 2.7L
  • Increase Horsepower and Torque
  • Quicker 0-60 MPH
  • Improved Shift Quality
  • SMART Files for Flex Ethanol Included
  • Available on EZ Lynk, nGauge & MPVI2
  • Baseline HP /Torque
    • Flex Tow
    • Flex Sport
    • Flex Race
    • E Tow
    • E Sport
    • E Race
2011 - 2014 F150, 3.5L
  • Increase Horsepower and Torque
  • Quicker 0-60 MPH
  • Improved Shift Quality
  • SMART Files for Flex Ethanol not available at this time
  • Available on EZ Lynk, nGauge & MPVI2
  • Baseline HP /Torque
    • Tow
    • Sport
    • Race
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Been considering an EZLink to replace my GTX, it still works but the growing poor SCT/Bullydog reputation is hard to refute. More interested in the EZLink itself as I will still use BCB (they are local to me an good friends). I like the cloud based file share and the display options. BCB list them with caned tunes only so far, still developing logging of custom performance tunes. KM
 

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Whewhee. 500 bucks for the device and 500 bucks for the support pack! I'm assuming that's credits and tunes. I sure hope that includes tunes!

I'd love a more flexible blended ethanol experience, but for that I'll just resort to testing my e85 I think!

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Whewhee. 500 bucks for the device and 500 bucks for the support pack! I'm assuming that's credits and tunes. I sure hope that includes tunes!

I'd love a more flexible blended ethanol experience, but for that I'll just resort to testing my e85 I think!

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I am more interested in the tuning, and the ability to stay factory fuel system and run a E30-40 Blend (calculated mixture with the 91 octane I can get) with no fuel upgrades. Is anyone else offering this in a tune?

I also, have used calibrated tuners (Dmaxtuner) in my diesels and his transmission lock up and shift strategy was one of the best. I a seeing great talk about the transmission performance and lock up of the 10 spd from them.

Most likely will do this and time will tell.
 
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