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So some of you may have seen my posts where i got the recall for the brake master cylinder done. When I picked the truck up I had a CEL because my intake sensor was unplugged and also found one of my intake hose clamps missing.

Fast forward to yesterday, I am driving to home depot and noticed the truck is sluggish on the hills and downshifting more than usual. I almost get home and get another CEL for underboost. P0299.

so today i pulled the intake back off to just take a look around and make sure everything looked ok. I didnt see anything obvious. Bolted it back together and got it warm and then started to do some pulls to see what the deal was with the boost. It wouldnt exceed 1.28 Bar of map(basically 4psi of boost). I did one last pull and a few seconds in at ~4500 rpm i heard a pop, pulled off the road as fast as I could, and coolant was pouring out of the passenger side of the engine. I couldn’t see exactly where, but possibly from a turbo coolant line. The tops of the turbo and manifold wnot wet.
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I was logging on Forscan and this was the screen just before it happened.

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so coolant temp was fine, OAR was fine(good oar in forscan is +100), and KR was slightly negative.
 

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Im having a hard time wrapping my head around what could be wrong that would cause an underboost situation and then also a massive coolant leak.

unless they are just completely unrelated and my truck just decided to fall apart at 102k miles
 

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Could these be related to poor work at the dealer? Is it possibly they disconnected more than they should have with the master cylinder work?
 

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Could these be related to poor work at the dealer? Is it possibly they disconnected more than they should have with the master cylinder work?
Im trying to be as unbiased as I can be, but I am having a hard time believing that it wasn’t related. My truck has run extremely well for 7.5 years(with the exception of warped manifolds) and a week after I bring it to a dealer for work for the 2nd time ever it just starts falling apart?
 

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There are such things as a coincidence. But I got a suspicion it's not one.

Too many signs of less than professional quality work under your hood. But it's nothing more than a feeling, admittedly. Innocent without proof.
 

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When they did my Master Cylinder recall, they kept the truck in a bay all day, but never touched it, then gave it back to me calling it done. The unit was still dirty and clearly used, and the serial number was the same.

(Maybe it’s self-fulfilling prophecy, but I marked the original, took pics and had the serial number of the original because I have no faith in dealerships.)

They tried to tell me it was done, so I asked for the old parts to inspect. What do you know, upon double check turns out there was a “schedule mixup” and it wasn’t done.

All that to say…. I think recall work might be the least profitable aspect of the already-backlogged dealer service departments. If so I bet they look for all manner of shortcuts and/or ways to put the cheapest / least valuable techs on that work.

It wouldn’t be surprising if yours didn’t know their brake booster from a radiator hose.
 

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I think it could be something the dealer did or didn’t do. The question is, how do you prove it? At this point it might be better to take to a different dealer and see if they can sort it out?
 

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It's that veil that exists between ME & him, the actual fella who is going to raise the hood on MY truck, that drives me nuts doing business with what we call the dealership.

In 2004 I had just purchased a brand new F350 KingRanch. It was the first time in my life I purchased a truck fully loaded and so I was actually a bit anxious about being so un-frugal. It quickly developed some kind hiccup on occasion that would result in a momentary stall, then surge, accompanied by a nice black puff of rolled coal, if you know what I mean.

Took it to "the dealership"

You know, the service writer. Lol
Then some young porter drives off in your truck and it dissappears and you haven't a clue where it went, what was done, and who all messed with it.

Truck was fixed and returned back to my side of the veil and I drove off in it. It exhibited the same symptoms before I got home. Next day I returned to the dealership, explained, and once again the truck was taken behind the veil. A repeat of the first attempt and the malady wasn't addressed, only this time while I was waiting around I was fortunate to talk to one of the porters and he told me that if it didn't get fixed this time to just drive the truck over to the diesel shop myself and ask to talk to Fred. Ask Fred when he can be available to work on my truck and don't bring it back until Fred is available to work on it.

I'll shorten the story a little by pointing out Fred fixed the truck. Never had another issue in the 9 years I had that truck. The dealership is a lot of people with varying degrees of expertise and professionalism. A crap shoot on the other side of a veil the customer is kept away from.
But I suspect many dealerships have a Fred, but how do you get to him?

If someone like Bryan (Ford Techmakaloco) was within 250 miles of me, nobody behind any veil would ever touch my truck. 🤣
 

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To be a technician ithese times you needs to be
A) obsessive about getting everything perfect
B)super meticulous
C)not afraid to go overtime if the job goes south

Vehicles are a 1000x more complex and everything is tighter with thinner coolant. Electrical can a blessing or a huge hinderance. It’s a lovely time to be a tech.
 

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After more than a year with one of the most advanced current offerings that well represents the future of things, I'm convinced that the current model of a single technician being expected to address any/all potential maladies is shear folly.

Instead, there is going to be specialist. There's just no way around it. No differently than a "transmission guy" VS an "engine guy".
I can assure you that neither of those skillsets even come close to the "engine management and subsystem guy".

Ford even KNOWS this with their recent overhaul of the Ford Diagnostic and Repair System (FDRS), as well as their venture into direct OverTheAir approach.

They are also currently shipping out unique tools that allow the technician to "zoom" with the engineer directly from the work Bay and the engineer is viewing, hearing, and even remotely gathering data from the vehicle in real time!

It's an amazing time in the industry but even the folks IN the industry don't see it yet. Which is incredible to witness.
 

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After more than a year with one of the most advanced current offerings that well represents the future of things, I'm convinced that the current model of a single technician being expected to address any/all potential maladies is shear folly.

Instead, there is going to be specialist. There's just no way around it. No differently than a "transmission guy" VS an "engine guy".
I can assure you that neither of those skillsets even come close to the "engine management and subsystem guy".

Ford even KNOWS this with their recent overhaul of the Ford Diagnostic and Repair System (FDRS), as well as their venture into direct OverTheAir approach.

They are also currently shipping out unique tools that allow the technician to "zoom" with the engineer directly from the work Bay and the engineer is viewing, hearing, and even remotely gathering data from the vehicle in real time!

It's an amazing time in the industry but even the folks IN the industry don't see it yet. Which is incredible to witness.
You can’t solely rely on one or two guys. One guy hurts himself and the other wants to take holidays. Then you get a back log and the last man standing gets leaned on the most. Then you loss him. You need amazing manufacture support as well as open minded good techs trained and flexible in a few things. You need a good shop foreman checking over work as it goes out the door/in process so you can stop things like this happening.

The fact that the aging tradesmen sector are getting older and retiring faster then they can fill with the vacancies with good people is tough. Felt in a lot of industries. If we have a decent skill set your wanted anywhere and everywhere. Lots of employers are starting to realize this and treat their men better.
 

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When they did my Master Cylinder recall, they kept the truck in a bay all day, but never touched it, then gave it back to me calling it done. The unit was still dirty and clearly used, and the serial number was the same.

(Maybe it’s self-fulfilling prophecy, but I marked the original, took pics and had the serial number of the original because I have no faith in dealerships.)

They tried to tell me it was done, so I asked for the old parts to inspect. What do you know, upon double check turns out there was a “schedule mixup” and it wasn’t done.

All that to say…. I think recall work might be the least profitable aspect of the already-backlogged dealer service departments. If so I bet they look for all manner of shortcuts and/or ways to put the cheapest / least valuable techs on that work.

It wouldn’t be surprising if yours didn’t know their brake booster from a radiator hose.
I feel exactly the same as you. I also marked my master cylinder. Fortunately everything went perfect. They did change the cylinder And I literally couldn’t tell they touched anything but put a yellow cap on the cylinder. I’ve had a total of 4 recalls and one warranty job on my wife’s car and my truck without an issue. I’ve always had good experience with this dealership in California. Now I live in Idaho I can only hope they are good here.
 

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Things are not going in the right direction. There are chunks of aluminum on the skid plate and stuck in the nooks and crannys on the passenger side of the engine. I think the block has a hole in it and the coolant is dumping out of the water jacket.

It does not appear to be the turbo coolant line. I had my wife dump water in the system with the bore scope in there and didnt see anything, but its dumping out from the passenger side somewhere.
 

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I like the veil. I always feel that way. I grew up in a Ford dealership, dad worked in parts, sales and service over the years and I at least know that he never bamboozeld customers. He often went in after hours to get parts for someone in need or spent hours trying to find obsolete or obscure parts. That said I still have a healthy distrust of car dealerships and have run into my share of bamboozelers and always feel apprehensive when I leave my truck for service and it goes behind the veil.

As to specialists, even back in the 50’s and sixties there were specialists at the dealership, Keith was the man for heavy truck driveline, Bright Eyes was the guy for carbs, electrical, AC…
 

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Does anyone have a gen 1 block out of a truck. I think the leak is coming from a little galley or something right above where the engine mount bolts to the block.

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This is inside of that little galley. It looks like water is come through that crack.

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I do, but currently away from home until Friday night. Have you tried starting it again?
no im afraid to if there is a conrod or something whipping around inside
 
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