Started ordering parts today, thru Quirk Parts.com, they sent me a email saying that PART AT4Z-6K255-A IS UNAVAILABLE through the manufacturer (Ford) which happens to be the tension arm, for the main chain. Any ideas were I should look to get one of those? lol

Also I have a question on the [h=1]ACTUATOR - 2011 FORD F-150 (AT4Z6C525B)[/h]and
[h=1]ACTUATOR - 2011 FORD F-150 (AT4Z6256B)[/h]can I disassembly my stock ones and clean them? Or just bite the bullet and pay 420.00 + for 4 new ones?

 

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I've got a 2013 F-150 Limited that I absolutely love! I bought it new and have had the oil changed full syn every 5k miles. Last week it started giving me the start up rattle. Upon the second occurrence I started googling and came across the tsb 16-0027. I took it to the stealership day before yesterday with 64,500 miles on the clock. As of yesterday, Ford has declined to participate in the cost of repair.

So, I'm looking at a roughly $3,000 engine repair on a vehicle with relatively low mileage. I've owned three Ford vehicles personally and opted for Ford trucks and vans for my company's fleet. To say I am disappointed in Ford's handling of what seems to be an obvious design flaw would be an understatement. I'm not going to go full retard yet as I have opened a case personally and am awaiting a final decision. Does anyone think this will eventually end up being a recall issue?

 

No it won't end up being a recall issue as it isn't safety related. Ford never recalled the hundreds of thousands of 5.4s with phaser issues either.
In your situation I would just keep feeding it Synthetic oil and continue to change at 5K. It can't get worse than it is unless the chain starts wearing out really bad at which point you will start to get code P0016 for timing being out.

As you have obviously read through this thread many people have done the jobs themselves now without issue for under $1k.

But as stated unless you start getting drive-ability issues like p0016 or really bad fuel mileage I wouldn't even worry about it.

I drove mine for over a year making the noise (did have it replaced under warranty though after 15-031 TSB came out.) without any adverse issue to my truck or MPG. Tech also said my chain wasn't severely worn like some of the chains seen from peoples trucks who have the P0016 code pop up.

 

I can't imagine running the vehicle with all that metal on metal at start up. Can't be good for the long term life of the engine. And, there's no way I'm gonna tackle a 15 hour repair; way beyond my comfort level. I've been a big Ford fan for many years, but this is testing my loyalty. You shouldn't have to endure a $3,000 repair on a $6,000 engine at 64k when it has been meticulously maintained and babied... Just my $0.02

 

Well then either shell out the money or ditch the truck whining here won't fix it for you. You're out of warranty in the laws eyes Fords obligation to you is up.

 

Alright guys, new to the forum. Just bought a 2013 Lariat SuperCrew with the Ecoboost. Absolutely love the truck. Had it about two weeks. Noticed the rattle on startup and sreally don't know if it just started or I just noticed it. I am the 3rd owner, bought it from a dealership my brother and dad work at that had it traded in and got a great deal on it. Before I bought it, it had a cylinder head temp sensor light that was replaced and I've driven it around 600 miles with no issue. I know dad and them changed the oil and didn't put a motorcraft filter on it. Since I got it, I have been averaging around 13.4 mpg around town. It is a 4x4 with stock tires. I know I am not going to get super mileage, but expected better than this. I am pretty sure the plugs have never been replaced so plan on doing that. I figured that could be part of the problem, but wondering if this cam phaser thing is playing a part. I got a 30 day warranty on the truck, and am wondering if I should wash my hands of this truck. I haven't even made a payment on it yet. Just wondering if this is a huge deal. I have read alot of what I find to be poor information on the problem.

 

as a 2013 lariat owner with intermittent rattle, if you can get your money back no questions asked then i def would. it's $750 parts bare min to fix if you do the work yourself and about 3k to have a dealer do it out of warranty. for $3k you can probably find another truck without the issue to even worry about.

 

$750 is like absolute bare bones on the parts needed.

 

I know this issue is caused by oil deprivation on startup, but what is the end result of this. After the motor is warm and you restart it I never hear it. Is the startup rattle causing excessive wear that will show itself later on?

 

Have an oil analysis done. If not wanting to do an oil change go to local auto parts store, get a fluid extractor to pull oil from dipstick hole. Put about 4OZ in a dry, clean water bottle. Bag it, box it, and go to black stone labs website, pay for the analysis and print the form. Fill it out put in the box, send FedEx or ups not USPS.

You will know what your wear is in the motor. They can turn around a sample as fast as you send it.

 

I'm just worried about it long term. I really like the truck and the features. It drives great and I've had no issues with it other than the SYNC system acting up. Just worried this is gonna be a problem down the road and that the reason I got this truck was to not have to worry about fixing things.

 

It completely destroys the phasers and timing chain eventually.

 

Can someone post the torque numbers for the cam phaser bolts, and the crankshaft bolt? Also what have you guys been using to seal the front cover back to the block and head mating surface? Blue RTV? Or.....

 

TA-357

or permatex ultrablack

Torque spec on phaser bolts:

1step to 30ft/lbs
2step loosen 1 full turn
3step to 18ft/lbs
4step TTY 180 degrees in one shot preferably


Crank bolt

1step 89 ft/lbs
2step loosen 1 full turn
3step 37ft/lbs
4step TTY 90 degrees in one shot preferably

 

I hope your doing this with the full assembly manual


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Thanks for the numbers.....what do you mean buy the "full assembly manual"

 

I just purchased the ALLDATAdiy manual for a year at 26.00, it seems to have all the I need to get the truck back on the road. Thanks rbown!!

 

My 2012 has this rattle after it sits for a couple days.
It's at 175,000 now so I will probably just wait for it to blow up and then build the engine with more HP.

Although I might get bored and pull the heads to have them cleaned and might as well do the chain while I am in.
Depends on what kind of free time I have this spring.

 

Send the heads on over. Got short blocks calling your name too.

 

Hey travr6
What brand oil do you use mostly on your truck?
How often do you change your motor oil?
Brand of oil filter?
Any hop ups on the truck?

 

Oil has nothing to do with it nor does the brand or filter used. It happens regardless.

 

This is true. What does play a factor is what your OCI's are. 5000 miles max is a good rule to live by unless you do oil analysis often.

 

My OCI's have always been 5K miles/8K Km's. Still happened.

 

The ford tech at my local dealership (this is a guy that actually wrenches on these trucks) said the OCI suggested by the computer are complete BS and that if you want the motor to live to go back to 3000 miles between oil changes. He also said if my truck was still under warranty he would just replace the whole motor, to much of a risk on his part to do the chain and then have the truck come back with the same problem.

How can say the oil and filter have no effect? Are you saying all oil is equal? If that is true how are some of these trucks getting to 175,000 miles and some only getting to 60,000 miles? I believe its based on the OCI and the quality of oil used by the owners.

I clearly had broken down oil deposits clogging my VVT solenoids. (pictures to follow after this weekend)

 

Mine had synthetic oil from the get go. 5k mile oil changes. Ford filters. Still had phaser failure by 60k km.

It has been said the phasers have been plugged with casting or machining debris from day 1 which slowly plugs that passage ways to the phasers starving them on start up.

 

3k? Sheesh!

I've been banking on 5k being appropriate.

I'll never believe the oil life monitor can be trusted on these. The OLM is to get the truck through warranty, imo. Then it's yours to worry with.

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Just asking more out of curiosity, but it seems most of the folks who have had this problem also live in parts of the Northern US and Canada. Does the climate play a role since this becomes a problem at startup after sitting a long time? My Tremor gets parked in my garage overnight, so even during our rare freezes in DFW (like the couple 15 degree nights we had in Dec) my garage is still near 50 degrees. So, I rarely start my truck after sitting 8+ hours in sub-freezing temps, therefore my oil isn't quite as thick at startup.

 

Here are the technical properties of amsoil signature series and different grades of this particular oil. Based on this, I would think it would need to be very very cold to have an affect.

 

I'm having the timing chains replaced at the dealer as I type this. Had all of the codes addressing the issue pop up last week. Prior to that it hadn't been running right for about a year and I'd taken it back to the dealer 4 times. I'd feel a slight miss when accelerating hard and it wasn't as strong. When the codes came on I took it to the mechanic around the corner who let me know what it was and said he'd fixed 3 others in the past year. He wanted $4700. I declined and took it to the dealer without letting them know of the previous assessment. They came up with the same conclusion except they wanted $2700. Warranty is 2 years/unlimited mileage.

What' clear is it's not a lubrication issue. I've had a number of used oil analysis done and they've all been very good. The truck has 156,000 miles on it and doesn't burn any oil at all. It's a structural issue with the chain. Ford obviously recognized such in 2014 when they beefed up the chains.

Now to get them to help out on this....

 

They just updated the timing chain guides and tensioner again. FYI.


Also chains stretch at 156,000 miles. That normal wear and tear


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I guess it's a good thing my trucks been stuck at the dealer for two weeks with this issue then if things have been just updated....

I'm at the point where I wish they'd just replace the entire engine or buy my truck back and give me a new one.

 

I just got mine back yesterday from having the TSB done. 2014 with 51,200 miles. The service advisor was great. They had my truck just shy of 4 weeks though. My truck sat overnight after bringing it home. After sitting about 24 hours I cranked it up and heard a similar noise to the chain rattling, but not as loud. It was faint and not as high pitched. Is it possible replacing all the parts didn't work? Or is there something else on these motors that makes a similar sound? I was thinking vacuum pump, but I'm not sure. I have full confidence that the dealer replaced everything like the receipt says.

I'm completely new to the Ecoboost motors.

 

I just got mine back yesterday from having the TSB done. 2014 with 51,200 miles. The service advisor was great. They had my truck just shy of 4 weeks though. My truck sat overnight after bringing it home. After sitting about 24 hours I cranked it up and heard a similar noise to the chain rattling, but not as loud. It was faint and not as high pitched. Is it possible replacing all the parts didn't work? Or is there something else on these motors that makes a similar sound? I was thinking vacuum pump, but I'm not sure. I have full confidence that the dealer replaced everything like the receipt says.

I'm completely new to the Ecoboost motors.




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Maybe it's just me but I don't see anything phaser related, just chain.

Correct me if im wrong, I thought the newest replacement was chain, phasers and all parts related or the noise comes up if just chain replaced.

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After comparing TSB 16-0027 with my receipt, part number for part number, they replaced everything listed on the TSB.



http://ford.oemdtc.com/1267/ticking...tapping-or-rattle-type-noise-on-initial-start-up-2011-2015-ford-f-150#more-1267

 

So how much did it cost to get this repaired?


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$3000 at the dealership. Free when under warranty.


Mine has rattled 3 - 4 times since I got it back. Today was the loudest I've heard it since getting it back. It doesn't rattle as long as it did before having the TSB done, but it still rattles for a split second. Now it seems to do it when it's warm, and not cold. I usually hear it 8 - 24 hours after letting the truck sit. Before the TSB I would hear it after 2 or 3 days. I'm a little mind blown that I'm still getting a rattle. Now it does it when the temp is 50F+ as opposed to below 50F before.


I checked the TSB parts list with my receipt and everything matches.

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