Ok so some may know about this some may not but it is something that is coming on strong with many showings at dealerships across America. So as most know it is timing chains that are prematurely stretching causing this startup noise. The news is that there is updated parts out there to address this and Ford now has a TSB on this issue formally admitting to it being a common problem. I go over it all in this video. There is also a link to just how it sounds in the description of the video on youtube. Hopefully more dealers will be willing to dive into the engine with some guidance from Ford now.
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I honestly am starting to think some of these dealership service departments are doing something wrong when they perform the work. Perhaps they aren't cleaning something properly, or they are overlooking something that should be cleaned. Something doesn't seem right. If repaired properly the condition should not come back so quickly
The primary timing chain tensioner has to be replaced. It is an updated part and goes hand in hand with the primary tensioner arm. When one is changed and updated, so is the other.
Does this TSB call for changing secondary timing chains, secondary tensioners and guides, and exhaust cam phasers with 4 new VCT solenoids?
Those exhaust phasers should 100% be changed regardless what ford says. While it's open tell them to change them and pay them the money to. Same thing with the VCT solenoids. Those solenoids are what controls the oil flow. If they are not replaced and are at all blocking any oil flow, and not working at 100%, you will always have the problem with your phasers.
Does this TSB call for changing secondary timing chains, secondary tensioners and guides, and exhaust cam phasers with 4 new VCT solenoids?
Those exhaust phasers should 100% be changed regardless what ford says. While it's open tell them to change them and pay them the money to. Same thing with the VCT solenoids. Those solenoids are what controls the oil flow. If they are not replaced and are at all blocking any oil flow, and not working at 100%, you will always have the problem with your phasers.
Sure, send me a PM with your email. I'll send you the list when I get back to my shop this afternoon.
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A guy who I work with had the TSB done. He says he still gets the rattle. But they won't do anything unless the P0016 code comes back.
There is a guy on f150forum that has had the rattle for a good chunk of miles and never has an issue other than the rattle. His user name is maplelakeduckslayer. Read his posts.
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There is a guy on f150forum that has had the rattle for a good chunk of miles and never has an issue other than the rattle. His user name is maplelakeduckslayer. Read his posts.
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I drove home 13 miles from the dealership. I parked the truck for 24 hours. I cranked it up and heard the rattle. I never had the engine light come on and the dealer still did the TSB.
Before the repair the rattle was worse below 50F. And I would get it after the truck sat more than 2 days. Now I'm getting it with Temps above 50F and I'm getting it after the truck sits 12 - 24 hours. My symptoms are now opposite of what they were before the repair.
If they truly replaced all the parts in the TSB (receipt shows they did), then I'm thinking something else is causing the rattle, a faulty part was installed, or installer error.
I don't think they would lie about what was installed. I would think they would get in trouble for that.
I'll check out that guy's posts when I'm on a computer.
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Before the repair the rattle was worse below 50F. And I would get it after the truck sat more than 2 days. Now I'm getting it with Temps above 50F and I'm getting it after the truck sits 12 - 24 hours. My symptoms are now opposite of what they were before the repair.
If they truly replaced all the parts in the TSB (receipt shows they did), then I'm thinking something else is causing the rattle, a faulty part was installed, or installer error.
I don't think they would lie about what was installed. I would think they would get in trouble for that.
I'll check out that guy's posts when I'm on a computer.
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The TSB does not address many of the possible problem areas that help cause the issue. They are replacing in theory the affected parts.
To repair everything properly, the added labor would be around an hour, and the parts about another $600 or so.
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4 VCT solenoids
2 intake phasers
2 Exhaust phasers
1 primary timing chain
2 secondary timing chains
1 primary timing chain tensioner
1 left primary chain arm
1 right primary chain arm
1 left chain guide
1 right primary chain guide
2 secondary timing chain tensioner
2 secondary tensioner shoes
2 intake cam bolts
2 exhaust cam bolts
1 New idler pulley/coolant crossover
1 crank gear
Those are just timing parts that I am thinking of off the top of my head that i would change while I am in there. There are more but those are the key ones. Most notably are the 2 exhaust phasers, and the VCT solenoids without question. You can change every single internal engine part on this motor, and most fords, and if you have bad VCT solenoids and problems with oil flow it's game over.
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To repair everything properly, the added labor would be around an hour, and the parts about another $600 or so.
Replace This List
4 VCT solenoids
2 intake phasers
2 Exhaust phasers
1 primary timing chain
2 secondary timing chains
1 primary timing chain tensioner
1 left primary chain arm
1 right primary chain arm
1 left chain guide
1 right primary chain guide
2 secondary timing chain tensioner
2 secondary tensioner shoes
2 intake cam bolts
2 exhaust cam bolts
1 New idler pulley/coolant crossover
1 crank gear
Those are just timing parts that I am thinking of off the top of my head that i would change while I am in there. There are more but those are the key ones. Most notably are the 2 exhaust phasers, and the VCT solenoids without question. You can change every single internal engine part on this motor, and most fords, and if you have bad VCT solenoids and problems with oil flow it's game over.
Had my '13 in at the beginning of February. Replaced the timing chain, but they didn't do the phasers. Different TSB's and they didn't find the newer one. Back in the shop two months later to go through it again.
Got mine back today new phasers timing chain and they also put plugs and a new water pump. Don't understand the water pump and I agreed to pay for the plugs. Where I got lucky is the extended warranty I bought....paid for itself in one trip. Going this weekend to try and trade it off but I actually want another one....is this an issue on 16's with the 3.5 also?
Shane make sure you get the oil changed asap with a new filter. It's not part of the tsb anymore.
So, I have 87k on my 2012 and after a couple months of going back and forth with multiple dealers a year ago I was finally able to get the phasers, chains, and everything replaced, life was good....Until this weekend, when it came back.... Has anyone seen it come back after having everything replaced once?? I've put about 20k miles on it since getting it all replaced and since I'm out of warranty now this time its on me...
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