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How much of a chance do we really have to put a petition together and getting Ford to actually listen and doing a recall program for the 2011 to 2015 trucks that are dropping in after warranties with bad faulty phasers and timing chains stretched?

I so far I say ... None to fat chance, but a try.

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Compliments of Toyota and court rulings over the years it would be hard to get a class action. Most purchasers agree to go through arbitration as part of the purchase contract. This was upheld again recently in an AT&T/DirecTV ruling that found a class action was improper due to the contract calling for binding arbitration.

NHTSA has the ability to make Ford address the issue as a class, but not individually. The more who file their complaint the better the chance of getting an investigation leading to a possible recall. If a recall were ordered then Ford would be open to addressing individual claims of those who already paid for the repairs as they would likely not prevail in arbitration on a reimbursable claim. In which case the best chance of recovery is a Ford dealership diagnosed the issue and performed the repairs. Next would be a Ford approved repair facility. If it was something diagnosed or repaired by the owner or non approved facility the odds of reimbursement is slim.
 

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A recall will NOT happen for this. A recall is for safety issues that could lead to injury or death.
I'm sure it sucks when the phasers go out and that annoying rattle occurs, but it will not ever have the potential to cause bodily harm, accidents, or death. This is why there is only a TSB (or four) for this issue. Now Ford could recognize the issue and place a part specific extended warranty coverage (like they did for the transmission plate and throttle bodys) but there will never be a recall issued.
 

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A recall will NOT happen for this. A recall is for safety issues that could lead to injury or death.
I'm sure it sucks when the phasers go out and that annoying rattle occurs, but it will not ever have the potential to cause bodily harm, accidents, or death. This is why there is only a TSB (or four) for this issue. Now Ford could recognize the issue and place a part specific extended warranty coverage (like they did for the transmission plate and throttle bodys) but there will never be a recall issued.
Well the part extended warranty would be very nice. I didn't know about that one but makes sense and I wish they did, like they did with the vacuum pump.

I mean honestly, I'd rather put $3000 into something else on this truck then phasers that came originally with a flaw.

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I guess the question now would be, the ones that are having the issue and yet to fix or for people that did spend the $$$ on the repair, .... How do we get Ford to notice that this needs extra warranty ... Maybe 100k miles ?

Come on guys (n gals), now all together, say "Hey Ford! We've got a problem" 😊

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I'm doing mine this weekend. $800 dollars worth of parts and it should be fixed.

Not happy, but what can ya do.

If you're under 80k, it will fall under emissions warranty.
 

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No it won't fall under emissions. Not one single person has had them replaces under that.
 

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No it won't fall under emissions. Not one single person has had them replaces under that.
Sure about that? The TSB Specifically states that the repair is eligible under the emissions warranty coverage.
 

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I'm doing mine this weekend. $800 dollars worth of parts and it should be fixed.

Not happy, but what can ya do.

If you're under 80k, it will fall under emissions warranty.
Are you getting a CEL with yours, or just the noise?

Right now I am getting just the noise, and my truck is currently at the dealership. They are telling me that since I don't have a CEL that the TSB does not apply to my truck. They are blaming sludge as the culprit.
 

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The tsb for the phasers states all that has to be present is the "sound/rattle" states nothing about a CEL.

And yes I'm 100% sure about emissions not covering it. The physical phaser parts have nothing to do with emissions therefore no coverage. I've been following this since it started 2+ years ago here and over at f150 forum. Not one person has been successful getting ford to cover under emissions.
 

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The tsb for the phasers states all that has to be present is the "sound/rattle" states nothing about a CEL.

And yes I'm 100% sure about emissions not covering it. The physical phaser parts have nothing to do with emissions therefore no coverage. I've been following this since it started 2+ years ago here and over at f150 forum. Not one person has been successful getting ford to cover under emissions.
Quite a few people have gotten it covered under the power train warranty though, correct? I think I've read a few cases like that.
 

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The tsb for the phasers states all that has to be present is the "sound/rattle" states nothing about a CEL.

And yes I'm 100% sure about emissions not covering it. The physical phaser parts have nothing to do with emissions therefore no coverage. I've been following this since it started 2+ years ago here and over at f150 forum. Not one person has been successful getting ford to cover under emissions.
Actually, even though you are correct. Doesn't one of the phasers run the exhaust something or other? That would be emission related if the phaser was causing some pollution crap haha.

However I think even though it's stated emission warranty on the TSB, Ford attached itself stating it has nothing to do with it. Even though the engine is one Emission polluting part. Lol

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Quite a few people have gotten it covered under the power train warranty though, correct? I think I've read a few cases like that.
Yes. I had mine done under power train for free as I still had 6 months of warranty left at the time.
 

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Yes. I had mine done under power train for free as I still had 6 months of warranty left at the time.
Lucky.... I wish there was a way for me to check if my truck had it done when the dealer took it in or not. I bought it at 60,050 miles. The again back then I wasn't part of this forum to know. Maybe dealer did the first TSB and it lasted for 10k ....But we know the first version of TSB comes back after a while.

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No. I haven't heard of anyone who had the original phaser TSB done have the issue come back unless the repair mechanic ****ed up the timing or left debris in the timing cover.

The preceding tsb before phasers was only for timing chain only when accompanied by a CEL for P0016. And this did not actually fix the problem thus the phaser TSB was finally released 9 months later.

Mine was done under the 2015 TSB and has been just fine, actually the newest tsb uses all the same parts but doesn't include an oil filter change.

One gentlemen had his engine lock up due to a failed oil filter that went into bypass and wrecked the bearings. (newest tsb that doesn't include an oil filter change after the work)
 

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No. I haven't heard of anyone who had the original phaser TSB done have the issue come back unless the repair mechanic ****ed up the timing or left debris in the timing cover.

The preceding tsb before phasers was only for timing chain only when accompanied by a CEL for P0016. And this did not actually fix the problem thus the phaser TSB was finally released 9 months later.

Mine was done under the 2015 TSB and has been just fine, actually the newest tsb uses all the same parts but doesn't include an oil filter change.

One gentlemen had his engine lock up due to a failed oil filter that went into bypass and wrecked the bearings. (newest tsb that doesn't include an oil filter change after the work)
...Ya he did. Frustrating as heck. Turned the page and enjoying a 2016 3.5.



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Can someone explain to me how the phasers tie into the cold start rattling noise? I mean, if there was an issue with the phasers then wouldn't there be a CEL? How does Ford determine that the phasers need replaced without a CEL on?
 

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Well, got mine done this weekend. Sorry for whoever requested a write up. I didn't have time to take all those pics, as well as write it all up.

The job is a huge PITA. Just getting to the actual timing components took us close to 6 hours. All in, about 20 hours to get it all done. Runs like a champ now, and will be doing the oil change tonight to get any metal shavings out of the system. Chain was stretched about 3/4inch.

Some tips:
-Make sure you have a good gear puller, the main crank pulley has a really long engagement and takes a lot to get off. Additionally, when installing it back on, you need a longer bolt with some washers to pull it on enough to get the crank bolt to engage.
-Some of the intake plumbing is hard to get disconnected from the turbos. Rotate the clamps when you get them off to make them easier to get on later.
-Get the steel cam holding tools. I got plastic ones on ebay, and they broke from the cylinder pressure alone(got a refund).
-Use an adjustable crescent wrench on the cams to hold them in place while you take the phasers off and put them back on.
-Replace both belts while you're in there.

-GET THE SERVICE MANUAL! Access is only 20 bucks for 72 hours, and it was the biggest help on the whole job. Being able to look at the official process with colored diagrams, and get all torque specs was a life saver.
 

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Can someone explain to me how the phasers tie into the cold start rattling noise? I mean, if there was an issue with the phasers then wouldn't there be a CEL? How does Ford determine that the phasers need replaced without a CEL on?
The cold start rattle is the stretching timing chain rattling around. There is an issue with one of the phasers that causes the timing chain to stretch to the point where the tensioner can no longer keep the chain tight (mine was over 3/4 inch stretched).

This eventually leads to the timing being off between banks, to the point where the variable timing can no longer adjust.

Mine started with the rattle for a while, progressed to going into limp mode without a CEL, and eventually to a constant CEL and limp mode.
 
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