Well, dang was hoping to pop on a see a picture or two

 

Well, I can put a pic of the one I’m looking at this week!

 

Can't wait to see what happens with the new truck!

 

@Boostking If I tune my new truck, I I’ll the warranty be voided or is it possible to take the tune off and everything is good?

 

Everytime you tune you leave a footprint in the ecu. There are always tell tales. Some places won't care and it is supposed to be on the Manufacturer to prove that tune failed the part. But I don't think I'd want to fight the up hill battle after.

Pay to play.

 

Yes while the footprint will be there it is actually the ECU flash that resets the system that is found, not that it was tuned. Still it is more between the service department and you.
On the warranty topic I again take the odd position of buying new, maintaining it myself, and avoiding extra warranties. But understand not everyone wants to do what I do. KM

 

Key cycles are logged everytime the truck is ran. It will throw them off if it only has 100 or 200 and the truck has 25k miles lol.

 

The thing is, whether there is a footprint is relative to the parties doing the looking & the methods they employ.

If you bring your truck in for warranty work on, say, a window regulator, there isn't some red flag that pops out of the tailpipe outing you to the dealer.

But, if your engine explodes you might get a dealer who is able to get the warranty work covered by Ford with little fanfare, and isn't looking for ways to deny you, so they don't go looking.

In other cases maybe a dealer loathes warranty work and looks for any reason to deny it. In this case, it depends on what tools they have at their disposal, and what evidence they can peice together to say you have a tune. For example, they might point to time since last DTCs cleared as evidence, while you say you just replaced the battery, etc. Its a he said/she said, but I don't believe most dealers can concretely prove a past tune.

But from what I've heard, its only when Ford corporate gets involved, with engineers hands-on with either your data and/or your engine that they have the resources to determine if truly your engine has been tuned. If that happens, I think you are in trouble no matter the tuner - maybe even the "spoofing" tuners like JB4 can't evade such detection.

But the chances of that level of scrutiny are pretty low, I would think; you'd have to blow things up in a pretty novel way for the dealer to call in the Corporate Cavalry.

 

But the chances of that level of scrutiny are pretty low, I would think; you'd have to blow things up in a pretty novel way for the dealer to call in the Corporate Cavalry

Just take in several dozen donuts, and a bag of donut holes just for the Service Manager. 🍩

 

I'm on my phone at the moment so when I get back I'll try my best to answer your question about the warranty. A lot of people have different misconceptions about it and while I'm not an expert and can't say for certain I'll be happy to give you the insights I have as first-hand experiences.

 

Just take in several dozen donuts, and a bag of donut holes just for the Service Manager. 🍩

I quite honestly think this is probably the very best advice.

 

Ford F150 EcoBoost/Raptor JB4 Tuner

This amazing plug and play tuner boasts dyno proven power gains of up to 100hp and 120wtq to the wheels on a stock vehicle. Made in the USA. 5 year warranty. Fast Free Shipping in USA.

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I would do this if you are worried, seem some pretty impressive 0-60mph and 1/4 mile with it,,,,,,,, buddy just bought the jb4 for his new ford bronco,,,,

My Audi has the jb4 and still under warranty with Audi, I simply unplug it and take the car in for service and its undetectable. I know this because Audi scans the ECM every service and every warranty claim,,,,

Car pulls very low 11s......

 

I think I'd challenge myself to really get to know the new truck before doing anything under the hood. Every truck is its own and I assure you that Gen14 is a new animal beyond just the massaged sheet metal.

Drive it. Read about it. Look it over inside out and under. It will all just come to ya and make sense what needs addressing first.

 

I think I'd challenge myself to really get to know the new truck before doing anything under the hood. Every truck is its own and I assure you that Gen14 is a new animal beyond just the massaged sheet metal.

Drive it. Read about it. Look it over inside out and under. It will all just come to ya and make sense what needs addressing first.

This is the best answer so far, in my opinion.
Drive the truck for a while, get some miles on it, make sure nothing comes up. "Things" can happen with these trucks/engines completely stock as we all know and unfortunately it won't matter how mild of a tune you have if those issues come up and they find out about it that could be a big $$$ problem.

I kind of grumble to myself every time I see someone say "don't worry about it I had no problem getting warranty work done when I was tuned" that's all fine and dandy but I can 100% guarantee they are not gonna be there with their wallet out if and when the you know what goes down.

It's so cliché but it is true, you have to plan on the possibility of paying if you want to be playing

 

Thanks for all your thoughts guys. I like the look of that JB4

I will see how the new truck does before I do anything though.

 

My only caution with the JB4 is that it hoggs the OBD port, so you have to live with the PID monitoring it includes. Or put another way, you can't run the JB4 and still have your own PID monitoring solution independently.

It would still be connected to my 2022 Powerboost if it allowed for user added PIDs. I know I'm probably a hopeless nerd, but I want to know what is going on with the truck MORE than I want to increase it's performance. And for sure if I'm going to "tune", I'm going to want to monitor it even more granularly.

 

My only caution with the JB4 is that it hoggs the OBD port, so you have to live with the PID monitoring it includes. Or put another way, you can't run the JB4 and still have your own PID monitoring solution independently.

It would still be connected to my 2022 Powerboost if it allowed for user added PIDs. I know I'm probably a hopeless nerd, but I want to know what is going on with the truck MORE than I want to increase it's performance. And for sure if I'm going to "tune", I'm going to want to monitor it even more granularly.

Ah that’s a con for me. I want to watch live data

 

But could you not use an OBDII splitter?
Or is the bandwidth not sufficient so as to cause unlivable latency?

https://www.f150ecoboost.net/threads/anyone-using-an-obd2-splitter.86038/#post-1385673

 

Bandwidth results in serious lag on the PIDs after I setup a splitter. I reached out to JB4 and asked if that indicated a potential issue with the JB4. They responded that they highly suggest NOT sharing the OBD port while running their device.

 

I had a catastrophic engine failure while tuned on E85. I knew the service advisor personally from many years prior when we worked together. He did me a solid and warrantied the whole job. Well, he filed the claim and kept his mouth shut.... I tipped the tech $500 and the service manager and advisor $150 each for their "help". So basically it comes down to the guys at the dealership and how much info they share with Ford. In short, if Ford knows its tuned, you're gonna get hosed. Yes, I know that they have to prove the modification caused the failure before they can deny warranty coverage, but that would be a slam dunk for them as far as an engine tune goes. And they have better lawyers and more resources than we ever will. And, possibly even if your dealership keeps their mouth shut, Ford can still send an engineer into the field to personally look into certain claims. And I'd say a high dollar engine replacement could be a reason to look closer. If Ford comes out and sees a flash with very few key cycles afterwards, you may be screwed. In short, if the warranty is important to you, the JB4 is your safe bet. Any custom tune written/flashed to the PCM just may cause a claim denial. "May cause" isn't a definite rejection, but why risk it? That's precisely why I didn't push my luck and tune my wife's truck. Two catastrophic engine failures would surely have gotten Ford's attention.... I know there are several safe tunes and reputable tuners that probably would never cause a problem. But just know that if something happens, you could be right back where you are now. Best of luck with whatever you decide to do.

 

Ford F150 EcoBoost/Raptor JB4 Tuner

This amazing plug and play tuner boasts dyno proven power gains of up to 100hp and 120wtq to the wheels on a stock vehicle. Made in the USA. 5 year warranty. Fast Free Shipping in USA.

burgertuning.com

I would do this if you are worried, seem some pretty impressive 0-60mph and 1/4 mile with it

My Audi has the jb4 and still under warranty with audi, I simply unplug it and take the car in for service and its undetectable.

Ah that’s a con for me. I want to watch live data

The JB4 App is awesome, all the live data you need on your phone

 

No trans tuning kills it for me. Too bandaid for me. All the power none of the refinement.

 

No. it's not a "tune" per say. It hooks into the map sensor and a couple others and "fools" the computer into thinking it's not seeing certain things. The computer responds by adding boost. It works, but it has zero control over the trans. It more or less just fools the computer into doing things it wouldn't ordinarily do.

 

Ah. I wouldn’t want that then. I’d want an actual tune

 

When you are ready I'll set you up with an ultra safe tune. You'll have plenty of fun and it wont stress you out worrying about a warranty.

 

That sounds perfect!

 

Looks like I might be able to schedule a test drive on that 2022 XLT tomorrow!

 

Take some pictures and let us know how it goes!

 

@Boostking Would I be able to tune a new truck with my SCT device or no?

 

Sorry I misread your post. A regular X4 or BDX will not work. The 7015 PG-B. I do not believe the 2023 is supported. You would need to sell your device and upgrade to the newer X4 which directly connects to the PCM (no obd2 flashing).

The other option is to get a spare PCM and get it unlocked and tuned through HP Tuners.

Either way, we have some options. The 2023 guys are buying 2022 PCM's and swapping them, but that's a bit of a hassle. 2023's should be unlocked soon.

I would tell you more, but I usually check SCT's website before I ramble on about newer support, but the site is broken at this moment.

 

I'll check on the 23 but I know the 21 and 22 yes.

 

Wait... so you guys don't want to read a build-up, blow-up thread? Oh, man.


I'm kiddin' of course.

 

Yeah, I will be driving it for a little while as you guys have said, to make sure it’s ok. I’m going to opt for a 24 hour test drive if I can.

 

The fun part is getting a 2021+ up to date through fdrs if it isn't through OTA. (Which it likely isn't ) Ford likes to send out new PCM updates... Don't quote me, but I believe a new PCM update will require a change to the tune. And for sure need to make sure automatic updates are turned off so it doesn't download an OTA update and automatically write over the tune. 2021+ is a whole new world.

 

Apparently the black truck is getting a new title for some reason, so I’m looking elsewhere now. I’ve booked a test drive for Monday with a 2022 XLT Fx4 and it has the 302A high equipment group

 

Was the black truck Canadian?

 

No it was from Missouri. Carmax told me that due to some Colorado title restrictions they had to get a new title for it.