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Matt’s 2022 XLT 3.5

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Just creating a new thread to discuss my next build plans after my 2016 2.7 Ecoboost blew up for those who might see this thread for the first time.

4/26/24
Heres a picture of the truck. Just want to put it here so it’s visible on the cover of this thread
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#1,056 ·
Yep Boostking said the same thing.
These turbos appears to be the same size as CRP stage 3’s.
the lower pressures are due to the 11 vane inducer.

These turbo are hand built with triple inspection with signatures. And certificates of inspection.
They don’t cast a turbo until you order. 2+ months waiting time.

so I would say 47lbs or 71lbs appears to just be a reference.

If you are getting the same or better then that’s a good thing!!!!!
ill send a picture of just pump gas with Meth.

ps: I’m on v13 now about 40hps more.
 

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#1,057 ·
Boostking? Yeah, 11 blade compressor wheels just don’t flow as much air as a 6 blade. Less blades = more flow. More blades = quicker response but less flow.

Airflow is not a reference, it’s what the turbos are flowing. It can also be calculated to guess the crank horsepower of the engine too. But that’s a complicated thing I won’t get into right now.
 
#1,060 ·
Higher octane is less susceptible to pre ignition. Not necessarily harder to ignite. Less susceptible to igniting from a hot spot.
Little behind the curve here, but I have had issues in the past with vehicles acting like they had spark blow out from timing being retarded too far. That could have been the issue as well. Lighting the mix too late creates a very unstable burn. Sometimes you make significantly more power with less boost and more timing.
 
#1,062 ·
Adam gave me another e30 revision. I haven’t tried it yet. I’m gonna have him take the 91 tune and lower the boost to see if we get knock still.

Going to swap the NGK ruthenium’s back in right now since I know that wasn’t the issue.
 
#1,063 ·
Update?
 
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I finally got around to trying Adam’s new e30 tune. There was a weird shift which needs fixed, and other than my 0-60 getting messed up, it was fast and felt insane, especially the top end power.
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Moving right along!!!
 
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2013 F150 eco
Catch can, CP-E intercooler, Turbosmart Bov, hot and cold charge pipes, 73mm BBK throttle body, snow Meth Injection #10 nozzle, Dw1700 injectors, Dw400 lpfp, Evo-35 Hpfp, stock coils, cold plugs, Stage2 Comp Turbos, Full race turbo adapters, Spd downpipes, 4” Mbrp single side exhaust, Mishimoto radiator, 20 row Full Race transmission cooler, 6r80 transmission t-stat delete, CV-Fab dual cone Cai, Belstein 5100 shocks and struts, z36 one stop pads with drilled and slotted rotors, Helwig sway bars, 160 degree thermostat.
 
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That dragy says 12.21
 
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Ok guys, here’s the plan. Going to test Adam’s newest e30 tune file.

Going to remove the tailgate and seats for a total of 200lbs approximately. That should essentially shave off .2 seconds on the 1/4 mile but we’ll see. Could be an 11, we shall just have to see.
 
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I tried to do a launch but the truck stayed in 1st gear and then shot into neutral, so I’m not sure what that was about. It shifts in 1st 2nd 3rd just fine when driving normally. Must just be an issue in the tune
 
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What the update Matt, any new revision back from Adam
 
#1,086 ·
Hey JasonMink! With the snow meth system with throttle block behind throttle body, there is a port for 2stage injection. The smoke machine has to exceed 20-23 psi.
I was at my mechanic shop and the Snap-On guy just happened to show up. Mechanic purchased a smoke machine for $110.00. Found 7 leaks.

If you remember I was only getting 47-48 pounds of manifold pressure, now I’m getting close to 60.
Did a pull today, these are the #’s.
93pr-x top line is tune I used.
 

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Hey JasonMink! With the snow meth system with throttle block behind throttle body, there is a port for 2stage injection. The smoke machine has to exceed 20-23 psi.
I was at my mechanic shop and the Snap-On guy just happened to show up. Mechanic purchased a smoke machine for $110.00. Found 7 leaks.

If you remember I was only getting 47-48 pounds of manifold pressure, now I’m getting close to 60.
Did a pull today, these are the #’s.
93pr-x top line is tune I used.
Awesome,Ive been suspicious of a leak since i had the stage 3 turbos installed.Now ive gotta get a smoke machine!
Your numbers are impressive!!!
 
#1,088 ·
Awesome,Ive been suspicious of a leak since i had the stage 3 turbos installed.Now ive gotta get a smoke machine!
Your numbers are impressive!!!
Awesome,Ive been suspicious of a leak since i had the stage 3 turbos installed.Now ive gotta get a smoke machine!
Your numbers are impressive!!!
Hey JasonMink some smoke machines could run a $1000. Or more but the $100. One worked great.
U will have to get some P-Diddy to make smoke
(Baby Oil) haha! U can also use your pvc port.
Also u will need to figure out a way that smoke doesn’t come out of your CAI. Block that off.
I have dual cone cai I put rags in both and held in tight. Also you can only run smoke for about 7.5 minutes. So have it all together first.

Good Luck my Friend, and I’ll see you on the Freeway!!!!!
 

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Hey JasonMink some smoke machines could run a $1000. Or more but the $100. One worked great.
U will have to get some P-Diddy to make smoke
(Baby Oil) haha! U can also use your pvc port.
Also u will need to figure out a way that smoke doesn’t come out of your CAI. Block that off.
I have dual cone cai I put rags in both and held in tight. Also you can only run smoke for about 7.5 minutes. So have it all together first.

Good Luck my Friend, and I’ll see you on the Freeway!!!!!
 

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Not much of a current truck update. Haven’t gotten a new tune from Adam lately, he’s super busy.

Andrew at CRP sent me this picture today of my 5 blade 46/56mm compressor wheels. He’s going to build me a stage 5 set with these in them and then I’ll sell my stage 5s that are on the truck now. I reached out to @full-race geoff to see about Gen 3 manifolds to pair them with. We’ll see!
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#1,103 ·
Yep
I’m hoping all of the warping issues were also installation issues.

proper bolt tightening pattern and using that dang impact wrench for everything.

there are three different torque specs in a certain order.
6000miles so far. I’m keeping my fingers crossed? Hahaha
Sorry about the multiple vines.
But I had 200,000 miles+ they didn’t warp.
 
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The 2.7 does not use exhaust manifolds so no header to use. The exhaust is routed in the head and cooled by engine coolant the turbo bolts directly to the head. As for the intake, it is pressurized and improvement would be negligible. KM
 
#1,114 ·
Sweet!
I'd guess it's for cool parts! ;)

(They've sent me a few free turbos in the past, so in a way, I feel like they sponsored me too!)
 
#1,116 ·
Sweet!
I'd guess it's for cool parts! ;)

(They've sent me a few free turbos in the past, so in a way, I feel like they sponsored me too!)
It is for some cool parts… I can’t wait to show you guys.
That’s cool, yes I’d say you are sponsored by them technically!
LOL I can’t wait to see it.
They’re always coming out with new stuff nobody else is doing.

Saw just today that they have Borg Warners for the Gen1 that flow like the Garret Powermax’s (+20% vs oem).

My encounters with them are just them doing an amazing job taking care of customers. It’s why if I need something I check to see if they sell it first.
 
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Have you guys have ever wondered why the 2.7 and 3.5 Ecoboost turbos sound so different?

Even the Gen 1 3.5 which has turbos that are barely larger than the Gen 1 2.7 turbos still makes more compressor wheel sounds.

If you guys didn’t notice, the 2.7 turbos are standard rotation turbos meaning each turbo spins the same direction.

If you’re facing the front of the truck, each turbo spins to the right. This is easily figured out by looking at a picture of the turbine housings coming off the cylinder head.
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The passenger side turbo sits up a little higher which is why it’s really visible from the engine bay.


The 3.5 is a mirror image setup. Both turbos spin the opposite directions.
Couple reasons why ford did this is probably because the 3.5 has exhaust manifolds, which uses up more space on the side of the engine. Having standard rotation turbos would not allow enough room for the turbos, hence ford did mirror to be able to pack them tighter, underneath the manifolds.
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As you can see from the exhaust housings, the turbines spin the opposite direction.

This difference in spinning rotation probably causes the sound difference. Same direction rotation is probably quieter due to the difference of air swirling. But intake piping and tubing contributes as well. But my guess is that opposite rotation is louder in a shared y pipe intake system.
 
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Christmas in August! KM