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The 2017 ‪SVT‬ ‪Raptor‬ ‪‎F150‬ will be more powerful and lighter than the previous version, so maybe it will meet the demands of those folks hoping for a new ‪Lightning‬, says Patrick Rall from TorqueNews.com reporting this story.

Prior to the debut of the 2017 Ford SVT Raptor F150, we weren’t sure if the new SVT pickup would be an on-road or off-road performance truck, but based on the rumored specs of the next gen Raptor, it could satisfy the performance needs of both types of go-fast truck buyers.

Since the SVT version of the Ford F150 became the Raptor instead of the Lightning, there have been F150 fans who wanted an on-road performance pickup wearing the Blue Oval. The previous generation Raptor was an awesome performance pickup, but it focused more on off-road capabilities than high speed performance. When it was announced that the next generation SVT F150 was another Raptor, those folks hoping for a new Lightning were disappointed, but based on the rumored specs of the 2017 Raptor, this truck might pack enough performance for all high performance truck buyers.

The History of the Lightning F150
The SVT version of the Ford F150 was introduced as the Lightning back in 1993 and thanks to the 5.8L V8 that offered 240 horsepower and 340lb-ft of torque, the first SVT Lightning offered impressive performance for a full size truck. That performance got a big jump in 1999, when the second generation Lightning was introduced with a new supercharged 5.4L Triton V8. With 360 horsepower and 440lb-ft of torque, the 1999 Lightning set the new standard for a performance truck and when a slightly revamped Lightning was offered up for 2001 – with 380 horsepower and 450lb-ft of torque – it proved to be the fastest stock half ton truck in the world. Throughout the glory days of the Lightning, it was always offered as a regular cab, short bed, rear wheel drive truck, so in addition to the big power, it had a very low curb weight (for a truck).

The SVT Lightning spent the early 2000s as one of the most respected performance trucks on the market and even today, it isn’t uncommon to see a blown SVT F150 at the drag strip, tearing up performance cars. Unfortunately, Ford killed the Lightning off after the 2004 model year and while there have been plenty of rebirth rumors – no new Lightning has ever seen the light of day.

The Raptor Arrives
Ford did introduce the high performance SVT Raptor for 2010, but with just 310 horsepower and 365lb-ft of torque in a package that was only available as a SuperCab with four wheel drive, it just didn’t pack the power that Lightning owners had loved so much. It was much heavier than the Lightning with much less power, so while it was a dream come true for off-road enthusiasts, it didn’t do much for those folks who wanted something a little more Lightning-like.

Shortly after the debut of the Raptor with the 5.4L V8, Ford rolled out a 6.2L engine for the SVT F150, packing 411 horsepower and 434lb-ft of torque. That extra power made a world of difference, but the Raptor was still too heavy to satisfy on-road truck racers, so those folks continued to plead for a new Lightning.

That Lightning hasn’t arrived yet, but based on the rumors and known figures on the 2017 SVT Raptor F150, perhaps there is finally a high performance half ton Ford truck that will make both groups happy.

The New SVT Raptor F150
When Ford introduced the 2017 SVT Raptor F150 at the Detroit Auto Show last month, they were surprisingly short on the details. We know that the new Raptor will pack a specially tuned version of the 3.5L EcoBoost V6 and we know that the power will be sent to a super-advanced four wheel drive system via a new 10-speed automatic transmission. We also know that the next gen Raptor will feature the aluminum body panels of the entire 2015 F150 lineup, which is expected to cut weight by some 700 pounds.

Even though the 2017 Raptor F150 was introduced as a SuperCab, four wheel drive model, weight reduction efforts from top to bottom will help to make the new Raptor quite a bit lighter than the previous models. Also, it is expected that the specially tuned 3.5L EcoBoost V6 will deliver 450 horsepower and at least 450lb-ft of torque. Provided that these numbers are accurate (if not low), the new Raptor will offer more power than any Ford sport truck in the past and with the lower curb weight – this new Raptor might be able to offer on-road performance that we haven’t seen since the demise of the Lightning.

Realistically, if the 2015 SVT Raptor F150 ends up having 450 horsepower and 475lb-ft of torque, even with it being offered only with four wheel drive, the new Raptor could provide the on-road performance that Lightning fans demand – all while still being the most off-road capable half ton truck ever.
 

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Exactly. I had thought the 2wd tremor was pretty much a lightning. Other than the FI method.
 

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Oh I'm sure they will. I'm hoping that motor will go in everything in 17
 
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Yeah, they couldn't be comparing two more completely different performance segments. What an idiotic story.

So, if a 4x4 off-road truck with aggressive, heavy tires has a powerful engine, that automatically qualifies it as a performance oriented street truck? I've been doing it all wrong...
 

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I can say this much. A lightning will never take a corner like a raptor with a well tuned suspension. Been In my bosses Raptor and he tosses that thing around the corners like a rally car. Asphalt or dirt


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I can say this much. A lightning will never take a corner like a raptor with a well tuned suspension. Been In my bosses Raptor and he tosses that thing around the corners like a rally car. Asphalt or dirt
How many Lightnings with well tuned suspension have you ridden in for comparison?
 

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I've been in a few lightnings, had a 93. Been in Mustangs, STIs, supras. Eh list goes on. Not to mention my evo and awd eclipses I've owned. With tuned suspension.
In no way am I talking down a lightning, but I'm completely aware of how capable an awd vehicle handles vs 2wd. Raptor is heavy but is an amazing handling machine. Going around corners is a completely different ball game than going in a straight line.

Any way you look at it. The Lightning wasn't designed to go around corners or take sharp turns. The raptor was.

I'm not arguing that the Raptor is a better street truck. It is the better handling machine.


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I've been in a few lightnings, had a 93. Been in Mustangs, STIs, supras. Eh list goes on. Not to mention my evo and awd eclipses I've owned. With tuned suspension.
In no way am I talking down a lightning, but I'm completely aware of how capable an awd vehicle handles vs 2wd. Raptor is heavy but is an amazing handling machine. Going around corners is a completely different ball game than going in a straight line.

Any way you look at it. The Lightning wasn't designed to go around corners or take sharp turns. The raptor was.

I'm not arguing that the Raptor is a better street truck. It is the better handling machine.


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I see where you're coming from. Just think, as great as the Raptor performs in the element Ford designed it for, imagine how well a Lightning would perform if Ford invested the same time and engineering into a purpose-built pavement pounder...
 

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I've never been in a lighting but I have been in a 650HP Turbo raptor and a Harley Davidson. I got to say the HD was very nice and handeld very good , the Raptor felt like a regular truck to me just powerful. But I'm just a regular guy with no cool cars that can road race to really compare. To me if you want to go fast around a corner the raptor would not be my choice.
 

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I am going to use Honda math on this post:

The current raaptor is curb weight of 6100lbs, tremor 4x4 is 5300. Ford says 17 is 500lbs lighter, so estimate 5600.

Tremor 4x4- 380hp on 93, 380/5300 = .072hp/lb (4x2 is 5100)

17 raptor - 450/5600 = .080hp/lb

So raptor has slightly more hp per lb

But the raptor has heavier wheels/tires and other heavier driveline stuff i am guessing. Rotational weight is significantly more important in acceleration vs dead weight.

It also has the bigger turbos which will respond better to tuning.

Im going to go with if I tune my Tremor, the Raptor mall crawlers will be letting me know if I missed a spot on the tailgate.

Also, how the hell does a regular cab truck weigh 5300lbs? Still trying to figure that one out.
 

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Lowered Tremor with custom tune and sway bars = new lightning
shhhh, don't tell the Lightning guys that.

Lightning also have a aluminum driveshaft and a baby under the hood.


Notice how lightning guys have put expedition seats and center consoles in their trucks over the years and Ford just happened to do that with the Tremor?
 

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Isn't the 3.5 available in a short bed regular cab now?
Shoot even the 2.7 in a reg cab might put the Lightning to shame.

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shhhh, don't tell the Lightning guys that.

Lightning also have a aluminum driveshaft and a baby under the hood.


Notice how lightning guys have put expedition seats and center consoles in their trucks over the years and Ford just happened to do that with the Tremor?
The Tremor (and FX App pckge trucks) has one of the best interiors for a truck in my opinion, right behind the '13 Limited and the King Ranch.
 

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Isn't the 3.5 available in a short bed regular cab now?
Shoot even the 2.7 in a reg cab might put the Lightning to shame.

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3.5tt was only available in rcsb for 2014 as far as I'm aware; the 2015 rcsb is available with the 3.5 V6 (non eco).
 
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