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I screwed up my truck due to my negligence. I had the truck in a lower gear descending from the mountains. Got on the freeway, forgot to upshift. 10 mins after being in the fwy at about 70+ mph in 3rd gear, the engine overheated. I pulled to the side, let it cool off... now its seized :mad:

Truck is a 2012 F150 Platinum with 6.5ft bed and all the gadgets available that year. 120K on it.

Need a new engine now. Are Jasper remanufactured engines as good as the Ford OEM long blocks?

There is a price difference. I need the truck for 3 or 4 more years.

Should I say goodbye now, or put in a new engine.
 

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Agreed the RPM probably isn't what took it out, overheating certainly could. It would however need to get pretty hot and I would have suspected that the ECM would have been protecting the engine at that point.

Having said all that if the rest of the truck is in good shape it probably warrants an engine replacement. Finding an engine at this point is another story.
I thought that the engine would have been protected against over revving.

So the question is... why did the engine overheat on the fwy? It did not appear that I lost any coolant. Yet the engine overheated then seized. I don't get it.

But... does not matter at this point? I still gotta pay
 

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Jasper doesn't have any ecoboost engines. They quoted me a price to send in my block and for them to rebuild it.

Has anyone done this?
 

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I was quoted 3-5 months for OEM, Jasper wouldnt even quote me because they had no idea when they would have them.

A company called Fraser said they had them and could ship in a few weeks and the shop I am having do the work on mine told me 4-6 weeks from LKQ

So you might factor that in as well.
You sound like you are in the same boat as me. If so….


which builder are you using?

Jasper has a lot of cool marketing stuff on their website talking about the improvements they make to the ecoboost engine. It seems as though they Know what they are doing. Obviously they make the parts. I hear they honor their warranty. I also hear that they need to at times. But they always make it good



I will check out the other companies/builders. I would have to save a lot to go with used and 90 day warranty as opposed to paying only a couple thousand more for a 3 yr warranty
 

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Did I miss how you know it’s seized? I’d still make sure it’s seized and not some random bad timing thing with the starter going bad, or connection. The truck should have gone in limp mode If it was overheating. Just to be clear you know it overheated by seeing the temp gauge pegged?
It’s seized. I know exactly what that means. I am mechanically inclined. Unfortunately, not my first rodeo. It’s my first rodeo on an ecoboost

it did go into limp mode, enough to get me to the side of the highway. Once it cooled off, it was seized

the shop has also confirmed it’s seized.

over heating, aluminum engine, seized engine…. Even the turbos don’t like excessive heat

All of my equity just went to $0. The value is gone. Now focused on getting a working truck.

I could take the $12k and buy a beater truck. But it seems that I now own a beater. 😂. Might as well keep this one. Cost is the cost
 

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LKQ is a 4 year unlimited mile warranty. Apparently they supply Ford with their engines.

Fraser was 3 year unlimited miles but you could pay $250 for a 5 year unlimited.

I am going with LKQ just because thats who the shop had a relationship with.
I’m going to call both of them. Do they rebuild or only sell used?

appreciate the advice.
The investment I’m making means that I will keep the truck a little longer. If I wasn’t in the middle of a house remodel I’d be shopping for a V8 Powered replacement truck
 

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Like a 7.3 F250 ?
Uh…. No…
I don’t tow heavy. 1/2 ton is all I need. Don’t need a 7.3, don’t want a diesel.
Was thinking about going back to a Chevy. I drove a Silverado for years, sold it in good condition with 300k and bought the ecoboost. Wouldn’t even mind the Dodge Ram 1500.
 

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Chevy 6.2 or Ram 5.7.
I have had great longevity in the past with the chevy 5.3. Its a solid engine. RAM 5.7 is good too. the 6.2 is overkill for the 5,000 lb trailer I tow.

But by the time I finish investing in my ecoboost, I'll most likely be driving it for the new future.
 

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GM 5.3 ? Really ? One of if not the weakest stock V8 engine available. You can make it last a long time, sure, just don't ask it to do much real truck stuff.
My more powerful, twin turbo ecoboost has taken a literal dump on me. Its currently a completely useless 7000lb paperweight right now. A long lasting reliable engine is what I need when I pay 60K or more for a truck.

Did you miss the part where I said I do not tow heavy?

6 weekends out of the year, I tow a 4-5,000lb trailer a few hundred miles round trip. Another 6-8 times a year, I carry a 300lb dirtbike, or maybe a couple of 30lb mountain bikes.

Do you really think I need a 3/4 ton for this?
 

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No. You need a Tacoma or Colorado or an SUV and utility trailer. Save gas. You can tow 4k with a 4 cyl.
I’ve had bad experiences with any GM motor with less than 8 cylinders. This is the first ford I’ve ever owned. So US vehicles less than 8 cylinders are not treating me well….

Toyota Tacoma’s have a reputation for reliability that is so good it’s almost unbelievable. And they hold their value better than anything But I really like the 6.5ft bed
 

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Between this thread started by @md2020 and the recent @mass-hole thread below, has anyone actually found a source for a replacement engine?

I obviously need an engine now and I am currently having simultaneous discussions with EVERYBODY about availability and price for a rebuilt or remanufactured engine

I’ll share some of my findings by Monday
 

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Here is the update: After rejecting the idea of a used motor and searching around with no luck whatsoever finding a new engine, I had finally decided to sell what was left of the truck and buy a new one. I actually have a written offer in hand for $5,750 for my truck with the blown engine!

I scheduled the pickup for Friday morning. Then I figured I'd call around one more time to see if anybody knew where to get an engine. And... somebody found me one! Without hesitating, I pulled the trigger and put my credit card down. Damn... its expensive!

Its an engine directly from Ford. They are shipping it to California from back east some where. That means I get the 3//36K mile warranty from Ford.

First draft of the charges are $14K (Yikes!)

But.. what choice do I have. If I take the $6K offered and add it to the $14K I have to pay, that is $20K, which still doesn't buy you as much as you think. I looked around and found nothing for $20K that I like more than I like my existing 10 year old truck.

Its an agonizing position to be in... but the $45K price tag for a 4 year old used truck from a dealer makes you look extra long and hard look at fixing your existing truck
 

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So... now that I have committed at least $14K into this new engine, which is a remanufactured (not net) engine from Ford, I wanted to verify the pricing that I was told by the mechanic that is doing the work. He told me that the engine alone was $8500. That seems like a very high number. So I looked it up. Turns out that is a valid cost estimate.

I know that all the other companies advertise their reman engines for $5K instead of 8.5K, but this is what Ford is doing to us these days.

Look at the difference between the MSRP and the price that Ford is selling it for.

I thought about a new truck, but the Toyota Tundra is so damn ugly that I would be embarrassed to drive that thing. So I paid the markup...:mad: and the engine is on the way


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Doesn't Ford have that setup as a portal that directs the customer to a dealership parts department?
Don’t know. You do pick the dealership at the top. . Ford doesn’t sell directly to customers. So it’s a dealer sale even though it’s a ford website

the dealer, I think, would never charge msrp when it’s advertised higher. No car salesman would ever charge less
 

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Thats about what I was quote from the Ford dealer as well. $7500 before the $1000 core. Since my engine has a rod sticking through the side of it, I would only get a partial core at best so I would be looking at $8000-8500 just for the engine from the dealer.

I dont know why you havent tried LKQ? My engine was ordered August 1st and was supposed to be here in a couple weeks. They are made to order so it has a few week lead time. $6700 including the core and 4 year ulimited mile warranty.

The rep at LKQ claimed they were making Ford's reman'd engines.
I do feel I could have done better in the situation... I try to stay positive about this... but deep down inside I am absolutely upset!

Here what's really going on inside my head...

1. I had reservations about this darn ecoboost when I bought it. But I was assured that this engine would be as reliable as any v8 and would last a time. I was also promised better fuel efficiency. Both blatant lies.
2. The dealer now says that the answer to a busted 1st generation ecoboost is to buy the new ecoboost for $75k. Forum rules won't allow me to write what I said to that guy.
3. I did try LKQ as well as every other engine builder/remanufacturer. I talked to a dozen of them, a few do the rebuilds, others are just distributors for the few that actually rebuild. I even called several for dealership. Everybody told me it was backordered and to call back. I called a lot of places. Its a very frustrating process.
4. Fraser offered to rebuild my engine if I shipped it to them... lead time is 10 weeks, which means about 14 to me. Their reputation locally isn't all that great. I hear that they stand behind their warranty, and they do have to... which is a probem
5. The shop I am dealing with is somebody I don't really know. But somehow, this one older guy, prickly attitude, terrible communicator, was able to find an engine when nobody else could. The engine that he found is $1500-$2000 more than the price of the guys who don't have one
6. I don't have a place to store a broke down truck while looking for an engine. So it takes 3 months at $225 to store it, which is $675. And... all the storage places don't want you storing vehicles on their lot that don't run. You have to drive it in. So I was struggling to try to get around that.
7. I though about selling my truck for the 6K, adding the 14K repair cost to that and buying another truck. I would end up with a whole lot less truck, a few years older maybe, and definitely 100k+ miles. Thats frustrating.
8. I don't work in construction, but I'm in the middle of a bathroom and bedroom remodel right now where I'm doing a lot of the work. I've got stuff all over the place. I got a quote for $1200 to haul away debris that I cannot do myself because I don't have a truck. How am i supposed to pickup building materials, drywall, tile, cement, etc...? I need my truck!

I got a call for a "right now" that's more expensive. So I have to listen.

I'm not in a good spot and I know it.

Here is the math that matters
$2000 excessive fee minus $700 storage and $100 tow fee is $1200. Do I want to keep going through all this for $1200. Or do I want my truck fixed now?

So after almost two weeks of trying to figure out what to do, I decided that the best thing is to take a breath deep... and buy it. So I open the wallet and remove the suffering.

What looks like a smile on my face, is really a grimace.
 
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