[boostkingMatt]

Saw these in my email newsletter from Full Race

 

[Upshifter]

Still can't buy them though!!! I bet demand is through the roof, even at that price.

I'm so on the fence on whether I retain the BD manis & stock turbos and just get this project done, or I pony up around $4k for these manis and some Garret PowerMax turbos...

My truck (not me!) is having an identity crisis, and I blame .NET!

I'm not making it a rocket but I think I want to keep it for another 100k miles.
Even with big turbos I don't expect I'd be any faster than a Gen 2 with a mild tune.

Rather, I'm thinking getting a bit more power with a bit less boost and heat will help, and a bit more fun is always welcome.

But as usual, I digress...

 

[boostkingMatt]

Still can't buy them though!!! I bet demand is through the roof, even at that price.

I'm so on the fence on whether I retain the BD manis & stock turbos and just get this project done, or I pony up around $4k for these manis and some Garret PowerMax turbos...

My truck (not me!) is having an identity crisis, and I blame .NET!

I'm not making it a rocket but I think I want to keep it for another 100k miles.
Even with big turbos I don't expect I'd be any faster than a Gen 2 with a mild tune.

Rather, I'm thinking getting a bit more power with a bit less boost and heat will help, and a bit more fun is always welcome.

But as usual, I digress...

Do it. You won’t regret it. Trust me. Just the sound that comes from them is worth it.

 

[Upshifter]

Bad influence haha

 

[Scott91370]

I may bite that bullet but I don't want to just replace manifolds. When I'm in there I want to waste more by upgrading the turbos too!

 

[boostkingMatt]

I’ve started a trend…

 

[mass-hole]

"available now!" and "coming soon . . ." seem to suggest different things.

I am still slightly irritated that they went through all this effort to design these and didnt put a bolt at the top of the rear port.

 

[Upshifter]

I may bite that bullet but I don't want to just replace manifolds. When I'm in there I want to waste more by upgrading the turbos too!

See! You get it.

Any opportunity to flush $$ away, sign me up.

 

[Upshifter]

I am still slightly irritated that they went through all this effort to design these and didnt put a bolt at the top of the rear port.

I think thats the only thing keeping this from being a no-brainer for me.

The flange still looks super thick, and reading all their material it seems their strategy is all-in on managing heat as the means to side-step the warping issue.
But there is still the issue of the weight of the turbo itself, just hanging their in space...

 

[SrpRacing]

As I said in another thread, they may hold up for a few trips down the strip. But I’m not sure how well they will hold up to constant towing. EGTs will be much higher for a longer period of time.

We shall see.

 

[mass-hole]

As I said in another thread, they may hold up for a few trips down the strip. But I’m not sure how well they will hold up to constant towing. EGTs will be much higher for a longer period of time.

We shall see.

Exactly. Regardless of what metal they use, its softening as it gets hotter. I dont believe that 347SS is any stronger than 316SS or carbon steel at 1500F, but I could be wrong. They may not warp but the sagging is what scares me.

 

[EcoXLT]

Exactly. Regardless of what metal they use, its softening as it gets hotter. I dont believe that 347SS is any stronger than 316SS or carbon steel at 1500F, but I could be wrong. They may not warp but the sagging is what scares me.

What is the metal the turbo itself is made of?

 

[snakebitten]

If it really is Turbo weight.....
And it reminds me of how braces on our teeth work...... Not necessarily a strong force, but rather one that is ceaseless and eventually wins the tugowar match.

So in that context, if someone was to design a support that is attached to the structure of the truck and then a mechanism for that support to "pull", if from above, and "hold" if from below.

Imagine a less cluttered engine bay with a shock tower brace. Then attach a strap from the Turbos to the shock tower brace.

Problem is, don't the Turbos move with the block as it twists under torque?
Then the brace would have to be attached to the engine and move with it?

Just spitballing.
If it were feasible, I'm guessing someone would have already mocked up an attempt.

 

[boostkingMatt]

If it really is Turbo weight.....
And it reminds me of how braces on our teeth work...... Not necessarily a strong force, but rather one that is ceaseless and eventually wins the tugowar match.

So in that context, if someone was to design a support that is attached to the structure of the truck and then a mechanism for that support to "pull", if from above, and "hold" if from below.

Imagine a less cluttered engine bay with a shock tower brace. Then attach a strap from the Turbos to the shock tower brace.

Problem is, don't the Turbos move with the block as it twists under torque?
Then the brace would have to be attached to the engine and move with it?

Just spitballing.
If it were feasible, I'm guessing someone would have already mocked up an attempt.

Yeah the turbos move too. That’s a great idea though, however don’t think it would work. Just need a better way to mount the turbos. The 2.7 doesn’t have any problems like that because of its integrated manifolds in the cylinder head. Turbo bolts solidly right to the head. They should design the 3.5 like that too.

 

[mass-hole]

self is made of?

The turbine housing and center section is cast iron. The compressor side is aluminum. But there is not a lot of leverage on the turbo housing.

If it really is Turbo weight.....
And it reminds me of how braces on our teeth work...... Not necessarily a strong force, but rather one that is ceaseless and eventually wins the tugowar match.

So in that context, if someone was to design a support that is attached to the structure of the truck and then a mechanism for that support to "pull", if from above, and "hold" if from below.

Imagine a less cluttered engine bay with a shock tower brace. Then attach a strap from the Turbos to the shock tower brace.

Problem is, don't the Turbos move with the block as it twists under torque?
Then the brace would have to be attached to the engine and move with it?

Just spitballing.
If it were feasible, I'm guessing someone would have already mocked up an attempt.

Thats what Ford did for 2011 and 2012. There was a bracket from the block to an ear on the turbine housing to support the turbo.

They conveniently stopped casting the turbine housing with the ear and removed the bracket in 2013.

It's almost like they knew this would be an issue.

 

[mass-hole]

Yeah the turbos move too. That’s a great idea though, however don’t think it would work. Just need a better way to mount the turbos. The 2.7 doesn’t have any problems like that because of its integrated manifolds in the cylinder head. Turbo bolts solidly right to the head. They should design the 3.5 like that too.

Why ford has continued down the path the 3.5 is on(a glorified Cyclone) is beyond me. Hopefully in a year or two we see a major update, or maybe just replace it with a larger displacement Nano.

Sorry, I am derailing here.

 

[Blown F-150]

I'm looking forward to trying them. As mentioned before, I get the apprehension given the "missing" mount point. However, these are designed completely different than any other offering. With the runner design, there just isn't any way to get that mount point in there and it keeps heat away from the flange. SS will dissipate the heat better than Carbon Steel as well.

I'll be towing long distance with them, so they will be put to the test. It didn't take me very long to warp the CRP's, that's for sure.

 

[mass-hole]

I'm looking forward to trying them. As mentioned before, I get the apprehension given the "missing" mount point. However, these are designed completely different than any other offering. With the runner design, there just isn't any way to get that mount point in there and it keeps heat away from the flange. SS will dissipate the heat better than Carbon Steel as well.

I'll be towing long distance with them, so they will be put to the test. It didn't take me very long to warp the CRP's, that's for sure.

I hope they work, I really do. I just don't wanna spend my $1000 and time installing them to find out. So for that I thank you

 

[Blown F-150]

Just an FYI. Talked with @full-race geoff and these manifolds are in stock now. I hope to have a set along with Garret Stage 2's shipping out shortly! I'm very excited!

Edit: Available now for Gen1's.

 

[mass-hole]

Just an FYI. Talked with @full-race geoff and these manifolds are in stock now. I hope to have a set along with Garret Stage 2's shipping out shortly! I'm very excited!

2017+ Garrett stage 2's? What do you do with the hot side, I thought the turbine was bigger than stock.