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Transmission issues - overfilled

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Picked up a new to me 2017 platinum which looks to have been well taken care of over it's 102000 mile life. However after a couple of days, coming home on a 100 mile round trip on the interstate (it was probably in the 30s when I left but in the 50s or 60s when I return home) at around 80mph, when the transmission went to downshift to 9th and then back up to 10th the engine speed would increase like it was slipping and then it would quickly show it shifting into first gear and then back to a higher gear like 7th 8th or 9th and then when it would shift into 10th it would repeat the process over again. I slowed down and it seemed to resolve itself. Fast forward a couple of days later and I was making the same trip and about the same conditions (much warmer in the afternoon than in the morning) and this time in addition to its weird behavior I got got the dreaded wrench light. I again slow down and switched to manual mode but it was obviously locked out of 10th gear. For a few more miles after I got off the interstate and when I made a turn onto a small two-lane blacktop road in auto mode, the truck just would not accelerate for a moment but finally engaged the gears. However just a very short distance from my home it started rapidly cycling through multiple gears. Had to again put it in manual to drive the last quarter mile home. Check for codes and got a 10th gear incorrect ratio. Turn the truck off and back on and the wrench symbol went away. Had my son crawl under and check the transmission fluid when he got home and it was filled above the top of the stick. And that was with the transmission still a few degrees below minimum operating (using forscan to monitor temps). There weren't any leaks or anything blowing out the vent. My son who is an ASE certified technician suggested that the problem might have been foaming because of it being so overfilled.

Anyone ever experienced a overfilled transmission? It looks like there were wrench marks on the dipstick cover so someone has been into it before to at least add fluid. The fluid looked really clean but I think we are going to change the filter and fluid as a minimum. Why would it be so full? Think I've damaged things? I'm guessing 10th clutches are smaller diameter and therefore more prone to slip if there isn't enough pressure from foaming fluid. Thoughts and suggestions from the group will be appreciated!
 
#2 ·
For sure correct the overfill first.
If that solves it, great!

If not, I'm guessing you will need to find a good 10r80 tech, but I don't know how easy that will be in this modern "replace transmission" world we live in.

The 10r80's are now approaching high mileage and so it's not surprising that new issues are starting to pop up. But the symptoms aren't that much different than the 6R80, and if it was that transmission folks would suspect a speed-sensor/leadframe fault.
 
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Here's a pretty thorough breakdown of the 10r80

 
#4 ·
Thanks for the feedback. We are going to pull the pan to look for wear debris, if that looks good we will install a new filter, filter seal and new fluid to the correct level (parts already on order). If things need rebuilt I'll probably have my son do it and use aftermarket clutches as this truck will be mainly used to tow a small travel trailer so an upgrade on those parts might be a good way to go.

As it is today, the truck also overheats unloaded in cool weather (peak I've seen is 240) and we have a new water pump and Ford thermostat and new yellow coolant. Just waiting for transmission parts to arrive so we can do it all at the same time. Son will vacuum fill the coolant so shouldn't have issues with air pockets I hope. Having a hard time believing the dealership (an independent guy) didn't know anything about it as he said he has been driving it to haul his golf cart around before I purchased it.
 
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FordTechMakuloco has some good 10R videos up on YT, including how to check and change fluid. Mercon ULV expands quite a bit when hot, so if the previous owner filled it improperly, an overfill condition wouldn't be much of a surprise.

As for your overheating, if there isn't air in the system, the stats are definitely suspect. Some have observed that the newer versions have a slightly different design, and the old ones often exhibit scoring - likely preventing them from opening fully. Make sure to do a good flush - I start with the VC-1 flush, then about 3 flushes of distilled water. You can only get about half the coolant out with each dump, so you'll have to deal with it through dilution to rid yourself of the orange. Refill with concentrate and confirm your mixture with a refractometer.
 
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HAVE A 2018 F150 W/ THE 10R80 TRANS, JUST FLUSHED IT AND CHANGED FILTER. ON MY WAY HOME AS SOON AS I PASSED 80MPH THE TRANS FELL OUT OF GEAR. A FEW MIN LATER HAPPENED AGAIN AND LIMP MODE(WRENCH LIGHT) ENGAGED. NEXT DAY WE GOT IT BACK ON LIFT TO FIND IT WAS ABOUT 1 QUART OVERFULL AND NOW IT SEEMS FINE, LET YOU KNOW IF ANYTHINE CHANGES =) (DEF ONLY USE MOTORCRAFT PARTS IF POSSIBLE)
 
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