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FYI My truck is the example in FordTechMakulocos video. This truck had the TSB-0194 completed about 10 days ago and the problem surfaced again with less than 300km on the truck. This engine has deeper issues. I believe it's related to the long oil change intervals Ford recommends accompanied by the fuel dilution in the oil along with soot from the turbos. These motors never had a chance. Notice how the TSB changes from 5/w20 oil to 5/w30 and a full synthetic? What about all the guys who've been following Ford's recommendations with the 5/20? They are destroying their motor at Fords direction. Really pissed off at Ford right now.

Ummm I believe the f150 Eco was always 5w30.

 

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You are right. No idea where I got 5/20. My owners manual states 5/30. I meant to say 5/30 semi-synthetic to 5/30 full synthetic.

Maybe the SHO? I believe it was 5w20. I ran synthetic from day one, so that has me a little glad. Still not convinced that the semi or full synthetic would make that much of a difference, I think it has to do with oil change intervals. IMHO.

Edit: Dominator beat me to it.

 

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you can now. my 2012 just started to have these exact symptoms yesterday. 42xxx miles on the truck. right after a cold start the truck would make a loud metal on metal sort of clink/rattle sound and the truck would shake. it happened 4 times yesterday. one time the truck was still idling in the driveway while I waited for my daughter. the 2nd time it happened right after a cold start and I was leaving a parking lot (approx 75 feet), the clink/rattling noise happened and it felt like the tranny lost all power and the rpms revved to 3000. took a couple of seconds and i had power again and continued on down the road like nothing happened. the other 2 instances happened last night on the way to pick up my daughter. same issue as the 2nd time it happened.

So same typical questions. What type of oil? What oil change interval?

 

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It is hard to believe that Ford can't come up with a good solution to the timing chain problem. It seems to me that Ford is using inferior metal with improper heat treatment to manufacture these chains with. I wonder if thicker dampers and longer piston travel to take up more chain slack would allow these motors to make it to 200-250K miles? A gear drive timing setup would be an excellent fix and a good way to make a $.

It would be too long of a run to do gears. It is a really long chain. I'm not sure how piston travel would affect it. Not saying it wouldn't, just saying I don't understand it.

 

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I'm referring to the piston that actuates the timing chain damper. I've read that when the chain starts to rattle, it is caused by damper piston running out of travel.

Ok then yes we are talking close to the same thing. I am saying the rattle starts because the piston does not get oil pressure fast enough to stop the rattle, causing wear to the components. But what you say makes sense too.

Unfortunately we will probably never know what is actually causing it.

 

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Update December 25th 2014 Here is what the my truck sounded like this morning... This is POST timing chain replacement (TSB 14-0194). YouTube Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1S2_mwyeH2A

Any chance next oil change you willing to try pennzoil ultra platinum? I just want to see if a really high grade oil prevents the noise.

Also have you ran synthetic since the timing chain replacement? Also a ford oil filter at every oil change?

And that sucks the noise is back. I really hope this gets figured out for you.

 

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. At this point, this engine does this noise so frequently that any internal damage has been done already and I don't want to mask that with an oil. I'd prefer to let Ford maintain it until it fails.

Yikes. I would say 600 km it would be pretty hard to wear out another chain. But if you think there would be damage then ya I would want it to sound bad also so that Ford steps up. If you do have enough time before your warranty then just try a change. Don't have to report to ford just give us a heads up. Might help us troubleshoot and prevent this. Good luck and I hope it all works out for you.