[gbr357]

I just wanted to get back and updated what I received in the 2 “kits” I bought as an experiment.

Everything in them is wrong. Well not everything but the tensioner is wrong, tensioner bolts are wrong (not a big deal, it’s like 89 IN/LB no Tty) and tensioner which must match the proper arm is incorrect arm for tensioner and tensioner to arm.

Confirmed via received 3 ford new oem factory motors to tear down for customers.
1 was a ford Performance crate motor.
1 was a complete long block assembly
1 was a service assembly

***All of the “kits” I ordered on line from companies like tasca, DO NOT have the tensioner I use for my builds**** different arm too now.

It is absurd this is still happening, I have a few customers who are my customers because their motors failed due improper DEALER INSTALLED parts.

If anyone needs a complete and correct timing chain service kit from me, PM me and I’d be happy to put something like that together for a 100% inclusive, and updated parts package. For me to be able to sell this parts set, it’s got to be all the parts in it, not just this and or that. This is likely what it would include off the top of my head
Cam holding tool
New chain idle gear/ AUX pump (cylinder block coolant crossover is what I call it)
Printed copy of removal and installation instructions from ford manual.
Primary Tensioner
Right arm
Left arm
crank gear
2 intake and 2 exhaust phasers
4 cam bolts
4 VCT solenoids
2 secondary timing chains
2 secondary timing chain tensioners
2 secondary timing chain guides
Primary timing chain
Right chain guide
Left chain guide.
6 pcs cylinder head oil tube bolts
Front crankshaft oil seal

And a partridge in a pear tree

Seriously, PM me if your seriously interested only. Anyone can go to a site like tasca and add it all to a cart and have an idea what it will cost. Just they send the wrong parts

Anyway, offers on the table let me know VIA PM only please

Ryan, any chance your PM box is full? I've sent a couple PMs trying to take you up on your generous offer over the last two weeks and haven't heard anything. Really don't want to just order through Tasca and get the wrong parts.

-Travis

 

[mizedog]

Well, it happened to me. 2012 3.5. P0016 codes all over the place. Ford said it is a stretched chain. They didn't know about the need to replace the phasers. I had to ask for that. $3,500. I've got to ask what tsb they are working from to see their parts list.
After it's fixed, should I sell the truck? It's only got 75,000 miles.

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[Elmore328]

Well, it happened to me. 2012 3.5. P0016 codes all over the place. Ford said it is a stretched chain. They didn't know about the need to replace the phasers. I had to ask for that. $3,500. I've got to ask what tsb they are working from to see their parts list.
After it's fixed, should I sell the truck? It's only got 75,000 miles.

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It took 75,000 miles for this problem to present itself. I'd say, if it is fixed properly, then there shouldn't be any need to sell it and you could get a lot more miles out of it.

 

[mizedog]

It took 75,000 miles for this problem to present itself. I'd say, if it is fixed properly, then there shouldn't be any need to sell it and you could get a lot more miles out of it.

I'm hoping that's true since the used car market has tanked since I bought this.

I don't have faith that Ford is using the right tsb. I'm still looking to find the latest tsb info before they start taking the truck apart.

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[winchested]

Contact rbrown. Or read this whole thread the tsb has been posted numerous times.

 

[mizedog]

Ford days tsb 17-0026:
Tech(s):
BL3Z*6D256*B 1 TENSIONER
BR3Z*6584*B 1 GASKET
DL3Z*6584*C 1 GASKET
BL3Z*9417*A 1 GASKET
FL*500*S 1 FILTER ASY - OIL
*W503297*S900 1 BOLT
*W520100*S437 1 NUT - HEX.
TA*357* 1 SEALANT - SILICONE
ZC*30*A 1 REMOVER - SILICONE
ZC*31*B 1 CLEANER - METAL
SURFACE
VC*3*B 1 ANTI-FREEZE
XO*5W30*DSP 6 OIL - ENGINE 22.50
AT4Z*6256*B 2 SPR Rply STOP to OptOut.

Did anyone know if this includes the VTCs, or VCTs? I'm still trying to get a handle on the terminology.

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[mizedog]

Per post 180, the phasers are included, but I'm not seeing the parts.
I'm still working through this thread.

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[gbr357]

Per post 180, the phasers are included, but I'm not seeing the parts.
I'm still working through this thread.

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Be careful. There are multiple TSBs out for similar issues. The one you referenced (17-0026) does not include phasers (Exhaust and Intake VCT) but is only a tensioner kit (which I assume is the tensioner and tensioner arm and chain (because it is not listed as a separate part)).

Important, does your or did your vehicle rattle for 1-4 seconds at startup after a cold-soak? If so, you probably want TSB 16-0027 plus a bunch of other parts listed by rbrown on page 44 (I think) and in post #779. If no rattle, ford is only inclined to put the minimum number of parts in to make your problem go away and will probably follow 17-0026.

 

[TwinTurbo4x4]

Be careful. There are multiple TSBs out for similar issues. The one you referenced (17-0026) does not include phasers (Exhaust and Intake VCT) but is only a tensioner kit (which I assume is the tensioner and tensioner arm and chain (because it is not listed as a separate part)).

Important, does your or did your vehicle rattle for 1-4 seconds at startup after a cold-soak? If so, you probably want TSB 16-0027 plus a bunch of other parts listed by rbrown on page 44 (I think) and in post #779. If no rattle, ford is only inclined to put the minimum number of parts in to make your problem go away and will probably follow 17-0026.

I was under the impression that 15-0131 covered the VCTs and that to get that TSB done you only had to state that you heard the rattle. Ford doesn't need to confirm it, so if he just says that he hears the rattle then he should be able to get 15-0131 done.

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[winchested]

I was under the impression that 15-0131 covered the VCTs and that to get that TSB done you only had to state that you heard the rattle. Ford doesn't need to confirm it, so if he just says that he hears the rattle then he should be able to get 15-0131 done.

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Quite wrong. Ford won't do any work without hearing the noise. I know first hand as does everyone who has had it done.

 

[mizedog]

I asked them if they planned on replacing the phasers and they said"no". I told them to, which added almost $1,000 to the bill. My concern is that the sensors, and solenoids won't get replaced. From pics I've seen, it looks like solenoids are internal, and I'll lose my chance. But the sensors are on a wiring loom external to the engine, and can be replaced by me later.
Since the truck is out of waranty, they'll do whatever I pay for. I just don't went this to cost $5,000.

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[winchested]

So do the work yourself. Should cost $1500

 

[RMB_Ryan]

Gen2 timing chains. Nice!

Cam phasers gen2

 

[snakebitten]

Ryan, posting Gen2 eye-candy in this thread is a heartbreaker, unless you point out that you have even BETTER Gen1 pieces coming down the pipe.

It's true. Mosey on over to his never-ending-build-thread. Ryan describes an upcoming Gen1 timing chain solution.
I realize it's not much consoling for anyone who needs it yesterday, but if you can nurse that baby along for just a few weeks more......

I'm a happy Gen2'er and very pleased at the things Ford addressed. But I also know that eventually the Gen2 weaknesses WILL be revealed. It just takes miles\time.

So I don't gloat! (much)

 

[RMB_Ryan]

Ryan, posting Gen2 eye-candy in this thread is a heartbreaker, unless you point out that you have even BETTER Gen1 pieces coming down the pipe.

It's true. Mosey on over to his never-ending-build-thread. Ryan describes an upcoming Gen1 timing chain solution.
I realize it's not much consoling for anyone who needs it yesterday, but if you can nurse that baby along for just a few weeks more......

I'm a happy Gen2'er and very pleased at the things Ford addressed. But I also know that eventually the Gen2 weaknesses WILL be revealed. It just takes miles\time.

So I don't gloat! (much)

I received a pallet with your assembly number for the PO. Wonder if that means it’s all yours? Mmm

 

[snakebitten]

I received a pallet with your assembly number for the PO. Wonder if that means it’s all yours? Mmm

You have my permission to TORTURE me with as many pics as you desire. I embrace the pain!

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[CD155MX]

Latest vid from Fordtechmakuloko. Step by step vid to get everything down to the front cover off. This is a part 1 vid. I'm sure his part 2 will be coming soon.

 

[Born2ride41]

Guys I am pretty sure I heard the dreaded sound this morning upon cold start up! It didn't do it again after that I called dealership and they of course played it off. I have 79k on my 2013 F150. I do have Stated Policy with Easy-care and timing chain is a covered part but I wonder if it actually has to fail first? Does anyone have experience with an extended warranty and this particular issue?

 

[waterbuffalo]

Guys I am pretty sure I heard the dreaded sound this morning upon cold start up! It didn't do it again after that I called dealership and they of course played it off. I have 79k on my 2013 F150. I do have Stated Policy with Easy-care and timing chain is a covered part but I wonder if it actually has to fail first? Does anyone have experience with an extended warranty and this particular issue?

Keep pushing them, if not, take it elsewhere!. I had to drive around back and forth till the light came on. It will be fine for a while. But don’t stop complaining about it. Take it all the way to ford complaint dept. Good thing you have insurance on it.


2012 screw 3.5L

 

[RMB_Ryan]

These horrible aluminum tensioners they send people are a problem. They are not working well, they are week IMO, and I will not and cannot use them. So take what I say with a grain of salt but look for yourself. Geomoetry is very close on primary chain, so the aluminum tensioner I installed this morning, I’ve removed several times, it has broken once, and it moved out .500” so far spinning the timed motor over 75 times

Yes. \/

No (full disclosure, all my customers run image one tensioner, not the one below. All of them are smiling ear to ear with zero issues.

No. \/

And here is a raptor with 9600 miles on it. Why doesn’t this use up almost all the teeth to tension? Hummmmm?