[waterbuffalo]

New guy question here -

I have a 2013 Platinum 2wd still under Ford Powertrain warranty. If I should develop this (no sound of it yet) is this covered since it is a lubricated power train part?

Yes.


2012 screw 3.5L

 

[LonestarF150]

Thanks all for your comments. So I called ford to see when my powertrain warranty was up (60k), but provided my VIN and apparently I purchased the extended warranty to 100k. Should this be covered?

 

[winchested]

Thanks all for your comments. So I called ford to see when my powertrain warranty was up (60k), but provided my VIN and apparently I purchased the extended warranty to 100k. Should this be covered?

Yes

 

[LonestarF150]

Thanks all for your comments. So I called ford to see when my powertrain warranty was up (60k), but provided my VIN and apparently I purchased the extended warranty to 100k. Should this be covered?

Yes

Great-- taking it to the shop on Monday. The service advisor mentioned it could be a routine maintenance issue and that would not be covered.

Any tips on something I could present to highlight the issue?

 

[RMB_Ryan]

This is the original cause. This is what causes the wear on the timing chain to begin with.

The largest wear item on the chain is that ford did it again. They tensioned one chain on the wrong side like they did on the v8’s. We are prototyping a bracket to flip this tensioner. It has to be opposite tension as it currently is. Hint, it’s one tensioner only, and it’s not a primary

 

[noodles]

The largest wear item on the chain is that ford did it again. They tensioned one chain on the wrong side like they did on the v8’s. We are prototyping a bracket to flip this tensioner. It has to be opposite tension as it currently is. Hint, it’s one tensioner only, and it’s not a primary

By putting pressure on the wrong side, and flipping the tensioner... you're saying currently the tensioner pushes the chain outward?

 

[RMB_Ryan]

By putting pressure on the wrong side, and flipping the tensioner... you're saying currently the tensioner pushes the chain outward?

One of them is tensioning on a side that is incorrect. It must push on the opposite side that it is and be flipped around. This is the stretched chain issue solved. we have confirmed this so now to make a pro type and get it on the engine dyno for long term testing.

Same fix on the v8 where ford engineers had a brain fart and did the same thing, same on GTR, and interestingly, ford engineers got it right on the transverse. Probably don’t have to problems in those guys engines

 

[winchested]

One of them is tensioning on a side that is incorrect. It must push on the opposite side that it is and be flipped around. This is the stretched chain issue solved. we have confirmed this so now to make a pro type and get it on the engine dyno for long term testing.

Same fix on the v8 where ford engineers had a brain fart and did the same thing, same on GTR, and interestingly, ford engineers got it right on the transverse. Probably don’t have to problems in those guys engines

This was the issue on the older Triton v8s? Or the newer 5.slows?

 

[RMB_Ryan]

This was the issue on the older Triton v8s? Or the newer 5.slows?

Similar on the one side of the secondary tensioner. Yup.

It’s simple. Can’t tension that secondary on the tensioning side of it. Too much pulling and stretching and lots of fighting forces. Strain is so unnecessarily high it is the issue.

*******Phasers have NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS. So the cold start CLACK CLACK. Nothing to do with this. ***********

Anyway.
We have one or two of these adapters mocked up, and am sending one adapter out for a small batch run of 50pcs. This will allow the one side secondary tensioner to tension down on the inside of secondary chain, and not push up. Now let’s watch Facebook. See who invented this, I didn’t. Just figured something out but someone will if you are a FB Guy. I could read that for my entertainment and nothing else for laughs for ever. The f150 pages not the everyday I’m perfect posts or the political crap.



The other side will have no change and the secondary tensioner will still push up. [emoji4]


NOTE: THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WILL BE AVAILABLE ANYTIME WITHIN THE NEXT 6-9 months, and it could be 4 years SO PLEASE DONT WAIT ON ME. WE TEST AND DEVELOP EVERYTHING, ESPECIALLY VALVETRAIN AND CAM TIMING COMPONENTS SO YOUR NOT PAYING FOR A FAILURE WE CAUSED BECAUSE WE DIDN’T TEST AND MAKE MORE REVISIONS.


Disclosure:

WE WILL NOT GIVE ANY PROTOTYPES FOR TESTING

WE WILL NOT SELL A PRODUCT OR ANYTHING BECAUSE IT LOOKS COOL, AND HAS ONLY THEORY BEHIND IT.

***DATA DATA DATA

**AS AN EXAMPLE :
-LETS SAY A 2 YEAR LONG DEVELOPMENTAL PROJECT THAT IS TYPICAL FOR WHATEVER IT IS YOUR DOING IS NOW TAKING.....WELL AS MUCH TIME AS IT TAKES FOR SOMEONE TO BUY IT. BAD, THIS IS SO BAD IT HIRTS EVERYONE AND THE PLATFORMS
IF JOE AND TOM WILL BUY THIS WHO NEEDS DEVELOPMENT. [emoji35]

This is NOT GOOD FOR ANY ENTHUSIAST AS IT MUDDIES THE WATER IN BAD WAYS. I like to see my fat feet in the water so no muddying the water for this guy.

Respectfully, I am HAPPY to discuss anything and fire away, but please no PM’s about this being available or whatnot. Tech PM’s is cool, I encourage questions and if you don’t ask anything how do you know anything?

Excited for my new forum vender section. It’s not to sell sell sell. But I’ll be giving away a short block this year. Yup!

Model is, show everyone everything on video and review and test everything on the engine dyno we have built two motors for. Gen1 and gen 2. Life is dedicated for engine dyno! Got a part you made, prove its worth to us. (Us as in all us)

Stoked on this for me

Thanks
Ryan

 

[snakebitten]

So Ryan, when can we get the new and improved cam chain tensioner kit?

(sorry, just couldn't resist)

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[GearHead_1]

Ryan, so... these will be ready next month?

 

[RMB_Ryan]

So Ryan, when can we get the new and improved cam chain tensioner kit?

(sorry, just couldn't resist)

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19 years lol, PM me for pricing and options for testing for us. Lol

 

[B52U]

Well done Ryan, perhaps my truck will last long enough to someday get this fix if the data proves it out.

 

[billnq0w]

I am new here on the forums. Noticed the start up rattle a while ago on my 2013 F150 ecoboost. Now it happens more frequently. No check engine codes. Oil changes regular and at local Ford dealer. I have read over all the posts on this issue and was hoping for help on a couple of questions. Is this fix covered by the emissions warranty? The way I read the TSB maybe? But I have seen both answers on here.

My truck has 63000 miles on it, no factory warranty, and extended was up at 60,000. Can I still buy a Ford Protect ESP? If so, who do you use and what is a good price?

Thanks for your help!

 

[snakebitten]

63,000?

Go figure. That's not good news unfortunately. You'll need to get it addressed and have it done properly. No cut corners.

Others have documented this to be in the $2500-2800 range, there abouts.

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[winchested]

I am new here on the forums. Noticed the start up rattle a while ago on my 2013 F150 ecoboost. Now it happens more frequently. No check engine codes. Oil changes regular and at local Ford dealer. I have read over all the posts on this issue and was hoping for help on a couple of questions. Is this fix covered by the emissions warranty? The way I read the TSB maybe? But I have seen both answers on here.

My truck has 63000 miles on it, no factory warranty, and extended was up at 60,000. Can I still buy a Ford Protect ESP? If so, who do you use and what is a good price?

Thanks for your help!

No emissions warranty does not cover it.

 

[BMac1]

New user here, In 2012 I bought an f150 with ecoboost and 40k in I got the dreaded rattle and had it repaired, then at 60k it started again but this time i traded it in for a 2017. Im at 20k this time and it starts making the rattle AGAIN! This morning i got a call from the dealership saying the cam phasers caused an issue and they told me there is an ssm on the issue under #47394. They will be replacing the short block but keeping the head and some other parts. He didnt give me any paperwork and said there wouldnt be any until the back ordered parts come in. Originally he told me it was a TSB from ford but when I went in to get my truck I asked him for the TSB number so I could look it up and get informed about it, he tried to look it up and said its actually an SSM#47394 as listed above. Does anyone know the success rate of this repair or should I bail on this truck after its fixed?

 

[millemk]

I cannot find any information on SSM 47394. Does anyone know what this SSM is all about? I think there are many other 2nd gen 3.5 eco owners with the same issue and would like to know about SSM 47394.

 

[millemk]

Here is what I have found for SSM 47394;

SSM 47394 – 2013-2018 F-150, 2015-2018 Transit/Expedition, 2015-2017 Navigator – 3.5L EcoBoost – Engine Tick Type Noise From Cylinder Block Some 2013-2018 F-150, 2015-2018 Transit/Expedition, and 2015-2017 Navigator vehicles equipped with a 3.5L EcoBoost engine with greater than 20,000 miles may exhibit a tick type noise from the cylinder block area.
This noise may be caused by a cracked piston skirt.
The noise can be isolated to a cylinder using a stethoscope or other suitable listening device.
Canceling the affected cylinder will reduce or eliminate the noise.
If the noise is isolated to a specific cylinder, it is recommended to replace the short block.
If the noise cannot be isolated using the methods described, refer to the Workshop Manual (WSM) for diagnosis.
A cracked piston skirt does not result in metal contamination of the engine or any related cylinder head damage.
Prior approval for short block replacement is not required under new vehicle limited warranty coverage.

 

[millemk]

fyi; the source of the memo is;
https://ford.oemdtc.com/3778/engine...8-ford-f-150-2015-2018-transit-expedition-2015-2017-lincoln-navigator#more-3778