Hey all. Like title says, what happens if you just live with the noise? Ford says that's all it is anyway, annoying noise. Does anyone have proof or can share experience where ignoring it caused catastrophic damage (that can be 100% attributed to a noisy vct unit). Thanks!
IGNORING CAM PHASER NOISE.
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Bryan, Ford Techmacoloco, has been doing variable valve timing jobs on trucks from the early 2000's on.
The 2 valve and 3 valve V8's.
I always got the feeling it's the mainstay of his business and reputation. Even the video he released yesterday was a story about a truck brought in for "the timing job"
The 2 valve and 3 valve V8's.
I always got the feeling it's the mainstay of his business and reputation. Even the video he released yesterday was a story about a truck brought in for "the timing job"
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Well mine falls into the 3.5EBm driven hard and does not have auto start stop. I'm at 120k and, THANKFULLY, haven't heard any noise.
This! I’ve been saying this for years, I firmly believe I’ve gotten the miles I’ve got on my truck bc I drive it hard, I subscribe to this with all engines. There’s no such thing as break in, start it and run it like it should be run and everything will seat like it should and the engine will see the pressures that it should. Idle time is the slow killer of all engines. Drive it hard or don’t drive it. With that said, I have towed once or twice but it’s not something I do unless absolutely necessary. I’ve run a 93 performance tune on it always and driven it accordingly. All I’m saying is maybe there’s something to this and throughout my life though short to most I’ve proven this theory over and over.
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supposedly the redesigned phasers are bulletproofed. I’m fixing to have them installed. I’m still shocked I’m spending 3500 bucks on an 84,000 dollar expedition.
I'm still very skeptical that Ford has suddenly designed and built a phaser that could be described as bulletproof.
If they have, I'll be ecstatic, since my current truck is equipped with the latest.
I'm normally an optimist, but I need to see these latest phasers NOT discussed after it's common for the trucks they are in to have 60,000+ miles on them.
I REALLY wish that I could use the flood-start routine on this truck in an attempt to battle against coldstart low oil pressure wear on the assembly. But Ford nixed that technician tool on the Powerboost.
As for the cost. I'm mentally prepared for budgeting $3500 every 100,000 miles. I remind myself that a good set of tires is approaching half that much, so get over it if you really want to keep the truck for 200,000
If they have, I'll be ecstatic, since my current truck is equipped with the latest.
I'm normally an optimist, but I need to see these latest phasers NOT discussed after it's common for the trucks they are in to have 60,000+ miles on them.
I REALLY wish that I could use the flood-start routine on this truck in an attempt to battle against coldstart low oil pressure wear on the assembly. But Ford nixed that technician tool on the Powerboost.
As for the cost. I'm mentally prepared for budgeting $3500 every 100,000 miles. I remind myself that a good set of tires is approaching half that much, so get over it if you really want to keep the truck for 200,000
I'm also on the "auto stop-start" camp on this one. The problem, at least with the 3.5, cropped up more frequently when that became a standard feature. Not driving it hard and getting everything up to temperature doesn't do the oil any justice, allowing contaminants to stay suspended vs working their way through the PCV.
I concur with this. After going through what seems like hundreds of forums and threads on this issue, I'm almost convinced it's not the phasers so much as a lubrication issue, and that the phaser replacement does little. I just got done watching an edited 2 hour video on what the Ford shop does to replace these little frikn phasers. There must have been over 200 parts removed/banged around/pried on/thrown around etc. It's almost a complete breakdown, not to mention the wear and scratches on the grill assembly from the tech leaning on it all day. I honestly don't see how it could be reassembled in an identical manner as factory. Video I saw had tools lying on open intake holes and filter housings. No way dirt or worse isn't getting inside that motor. Almost does not seem worth it to me. I know I earlier said I considered having it done, but now I'm sleeping on it. I cannot find ONE example of an engine failure due to this noise. But I can find several issues that cropped up after the "repair."I'm still very skeptical that Ford has suddenly designed and built a phaser that could be described as bulletproof.
If they have, I'll be ecstatic, since my current truck is equipped with the latest.
I'm normally an optimist, but I need to see these latest phasers NOT discussed after it's common for the trucks they are in to have 60,000+ miles on them.
I REALLY wish that I could use the flood-start routine on this truck in an attempt to battle against coldstart low oil pressure wear on the assembly. But Ford nixed that technician tool on the Powerboost.
As for the cost. I'm mentally prepared for budgeting $3500 every 100,000 miles. I remind myself that a good set of tires is approaching half that much, so get over it if you really want to keep the truck for 200,000
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So, honest question: worth it? Even under warranty? For a noise? Not trying to be smart, I genuinely want to know. I personally don't think, looking at that picture, a noise is worth it.
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Well, I do think that the "noise" shouldn't be there. I also feel it will lead to issues with the timing and possibly lead to failures in the future. I elected to have my cam phasers replaced shortly after I bought it with 37K miles on it; right when the startup rattle started to be heard. I'm only at 47K now and no rattle.
My point of view is to get the cam phasers replaced, not use Auto Stop / Start, do oil changes more frequently than the book says, avoid "normal" drive mode, use sport drive mode and drive it like you stole it as often as traffic allows you to do so safely.
PS. Also, don't worry about MPG. Keep an eye on it as a measure of overall health only.
My point of view is to get the cam phasers replaced, not use Auto Stop / Start, do oil changes more frequently than the book says, avoid "normal" drive mode, use sport drive mode and drive it like you stole it as often as traffic allows you to do so safely.
PS. Also, don't worry about MPG. Keep an eye on it as a measure of overall health only.
12s had chain issues not phaser issues.
I think that's the key: as long as the "undesirable noise" (as Ford puts it) doesn't affect performance, safety or longevity, I think I can live with it, rather than have my $80,000 rig torn down to the frame by some random Ford shop. That's why its a "customer satisfaction" campaign and NOT a recall. Ford is just trying to make customers that hate a ticking engine happy. They flat say it's a noise and nothing else. I suppose I will take the gamble and if my 3.5 Ecoboost suddenly explodes driving down the highway one day I will be the first to get on here and let everyone know. But don't hold your breath lol.
I'm not suffering any timing issues, but have certainly looked into the problem. Phasers and chains are intimately related parts of driving the cams. Either can and does affect the other, Ford dealers may say it's just noise, but that noise is caused by the phaser trying to enguage a locking pin and failing to. Think of the additional strain on the timing chain. A streached chain can jump gear teeth, this puts the cams out of time, cams out of time far enough will cause catastrophic clash tween valves and pistons. Noise only, do you feel lucky? I have driven long with questionable vehicle sympoms but that was a matter of needs and priorities at that time.
The function of the VCT phaser depends on oil pressure and mechanical parts, so oil quality, type, service frequency, play a role. Another issue compounding this is diagnosing noise, sketchy at best. Any decent dealership has the tools to read the cam timing electronically and should test this before making any service declaration.
Last point. If you believe in bullet proof parts I have a bridge to sell ya. KM
The function of the VCT phaser depends on oil pressure and mechanical parts, so oil quality, type, service frequency, play a role. Another issue compounding this is diagnosing noise, sketchy at best. Any decent dealership has the tools to read the cam timing electronically and should test this before making any service declaration.
Last point. If you believe in bullet proof parts I have a bridge to sell ya. KM
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To my point of my post...... when this was happening and hte recall or service bulletin was out, there was far too many issues going around after the repair and replacement.... I don't know, just me I guess
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So does using Auto/Start stop enhance the issue with the phaser? If so, why is that?
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