[timtrace]

Hey, I'm seeing some oily residue, not much, just a wee bit, at this location. It seems to be coming from under the check valve shrinkwrap and migrating down the hose. It seems to be the hose which runs from the catch can to the top of the intake. The quantity of fluid is very small. It's not shown in this pic, but the arrow points to the approximate place where it seems to be coming from under the shrinkwrap, and the squiggly line is where I can --just barely-- see a trace of fluid where the hoses touch each other.

Let's assume for the sake of discussion that I've hooked it all up correctly. The valves are definitely pointed the right direction. With both lines, you can blow away from the can but not draw toward the can.

What could be causing this?

 

[davemak]

Hey, I'm seeing some oily residue, not much, just a wee bit, at this location. It seems to be coming from under the check valve shrinkwrap and migrating down the hose. It seems to be the hose which runs from the catch can to the top of the intake. The quantity of fluid is very small. It's not shown in this pic, but the arrow points to the approximate place where it seems to be coming from under the shrinkwrap, and the squiggly line is where I can --just barely-- see a trace of fluid where the hoses touch each other.

Let's assume for the sake of discussion that I've hooked it all up correctly. The valves are definitely pointed the right direction. With both lines, you can blow away from the can but not draw toward the can.

What could be causing this?


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Did you shrink wrap the check valves in place or did they come that way? Seems that the hose isn't fitting tight enough on the check valve flange. You might try some strong zip ties over the barbed areas of the check valves just to be sure there is enough compression. That check valve would close on boost and the vacuum source would switch to the turbo inlet(s). How many inlets are you using?

Based on some other discussions, we seem to have established that you can get a slight amount of blow back through the system during check valve changeover from intake to turbo inlet(s) and that using both turbo inlets reduces this (quicker change over and stronger pull).

Your apparently leaking hose connection (ever so slightly) may simply be showing traces of this blow back, which otherwise is only apparent at the fresh air intake in the air box.

 

[slothman]

Unfortunately, 2011-2014 EB owners like myself may be unaware of the hard work you put into your how-to because it's posted in the 2nd-gen 2015 sub, and further, the subject calls out only 2015-2016 models. Now that I've seen it, it's a great article, and I saw where you provided alternate instructions for 1st-gen owners. Thank you.

Have you installed a kit on a 1st-gen? If not, you're welcome to include my photos and notes in your 2nd-gen how-to, with credit given to the original author. He's a swell guy.

Thanks for sharing your opinion of the quality of the kit. I stand by my own opinion that for $400 spent here in April 2016, the RX Performance / McNally Monster Catch Can kit should include a much stronger can bracket and OEM-style click-to-fit PCV connectors. And yeah, the manufacturer's instructions suck. They should provide dedicated model-year instructions. Thank God for guys like you who post detailed how-tos, but in this situation it seems that you're doing the manufacturer's job for them while receiving no compensation for your hard work.

The can bracket which currently ships in the kit is sub-par.....by a lot. I overcame its limitations with a hand-fabricated secondary bracket as shown in post #29 in this topic. Another contributor to this topic contacted RX, and they shipped him one of their older brackets. Either way, problem solved...but for $400 we should get a better can bracket from the manufacturer.

I used Tracy's YouTube video (on the RX channel) to guide my installation. Compared to the video, my kit was missing the PCV connectors. I suppose RX has stopped including them as a cost-reduction measure, but in the end it was no big deal to cannabalize the OEM tunes for their connectors. It was easier for me to use a heat gun separate the OEM PCV connectors from the hard plastic tube, then use a Dremel as you've suggested. Simply nick the end of the tube, heat it up and pull. I learned this technique from another topic posted on this community. Yet for $400 spent, the kit should come with all-new parts.

I would agree, the bracket needs to be improved.

I guess we could ask the mods to make my article a sticky in the general forum ?

 

[timtrace]

Did you shrink wrap the check valves in place or did they come that way? Seems that the hose isn't fitting tight enough on the check valve flange. You might try some strong zip ties over the barbed areas of the check valves just to be sure there is enough compression. That check valve would close on boost and the vacuum source would switch to the turbo inlet(s).

I'll try zip ties, or I'll get some good fuel clamps and snug 'em up.

How many inlets are you using? Based on some other discussions, we seem to have established that you can get a slight amount of blow back through the system during check valve changeover from intake to turbo inlet(s) and that using both turbo inlets reduces this (quicker change over and stronger pull). Your apparently leaking hose connection (ever so slightly) may simply be showing traces of this blow back, which otherwise is only apparent at the fresh air intake in the air box.

I'm using both inlets. Would the blowback be on the intake inlet? If so, I bet you've nailed it, and wouldn't a tight clamp on the downstream side of the check valve end the problem?

 

[meaz93]

I suggest putting fuel clamps on all connections. Go to Home Depot and get a package of them...very cheap insurance. No leaks-period.

Sent from my SM-N900V using Tapatalk

 

[timtrace]

I suggest putting fuel clamps on all connections. Go to Home Depot and get a package of them...very cheap insurance. No leaks-period. Sent from my SM-N900V using Tapatalk

These are the only connections which aren't clamped. Figures, huh.

 

[noodles]

These are the only connections which aren't clamped. Figures, huh.

Yes Tim, clamps work better than shrink tubing.

 

[timtrace]

Just to wrap this up......

I added hose clamps to the shrinkwrapped check valves and all appears well.

Did my first drain at two weeks, in the middle of a 180-mile freeway blast. Ewwwwwwwwwww.

 

[ecofriendly]

I have a friend that had a real RX tig welded can installed on his truck on Friday, he has a 2016 silverado but its still a nice truck.....turns out he found out that Mcnally tried to buy RX and the deal went south but continued making RX designed catch cans. He told me that if you do not get one direct from teamrxp or rx speed works you will get a copied brand. If you go to rx speed works website you can see they are selling the Mcnally can and the real RX cans separately. My buddies name is Kurt and he loves his system. He lives in Fort Meyers and he purchased from teamrxp

Thank you, Vozaday. I remember reading that topic a few weeks ago. It's frustrating to pay $400 for a kit that looks like a shade-tree install, and requires a trip to O'Reilly for hose clamps to make it reliable.

There's lots of documentation of great installs, but they're aging. Here in April 2016, it seems this RX monster catch can kit is not the same quality as just six months ago. And it's a loooong way from what's shown on the RX YouTube channel....uploaded in January 2015.

 

[timtrace]

Mcnally tried to buy RX and the deal went south but continued making RX designed catch cans.........if you do not get one direct from teamrxp or rx speed works you will get a copied brand.

Sounds about right. I paid for an RX Performance Monster Catch Can kit from Five Star, and received a McNally kit. All things said and done, I don't know that I mind so much now that it's installed and doing its thing. But I sure hope the internals of the can are the same as the RX product.

 

[McNally]

RX MONSTER CATCH CAN....JOKE'S ON ME.

something from McNally…

We are NOT associated with Tracy Lewis, Team RXP, RXP Canada or Ski Motor Sports, LLC.

In 2015 McNally purchased RX Extreme and RX Performance Products. Tracy Lewis was an employee of this company and with a team of McNally Engineers developed the RX Oil Catch Can that is on the market today and manufactured by McNally. When Tracy Lewis left this company all intellectual property was legally granted/sold/bought by to McNally Electronics, Inc.

This includes:
RX Catch Can
Catch Can
Single valve Catch Can
Dual Valve Catch Can
Catch Can
RX Clean Side Separator
RX Super Charger
RX Super Chiller

Unfortunately, Tracy Lewis proceeded to use mentioned intellectual property without the consent or authorization of McNally Electronics, Inc., Aviation Instrument Technologies, Inc., Extreme Auto Products or any other Companies associated with McNally Electronics, Inc.

There are several issues in this post that we would like to address.

First let’s take the instruction guides. These are meant to be guides not technical install directions. We are currently in the process of having a certified technical writer write the install directions. This is a long process that goes thru many channels. Not only does someone who is certified have to write them but then they must go thru the engineering department to determine if all technical aspects are correct. It could be months before we see anything.

Also, take into consideration that the guides that are put in the box clearly state:

“NOTICE - We have provided 6 (six) possible installation diagrams for different engine configurations. Please select the correct installation guide.
Before you start KNOW THIS: the installation of this product in your vehicle requires substantial knowledge of your vehicle's engine and its internal functions. Many "do-it-yourselfers" are fully capable of properly installing this product while others are NOT.

Being a confident person, while helpful, does not necessarily bring with it such knowledge!

Please seek professional advice, or help, if you cannot ACCEPT FULL RESPONSIBILITY for any vehicle damage resulting from YOUR improper installation.”

By no means are these guides meant to be exact installation instructions. They are general guides for different engine configurations. The problem is there are 100’s of different engines that an Oil Catch Can can be installed. It is not possible to send technical installation instructions for every engine configuration with the catch can. We are doing our best to provide instructions on our website. Please be patient with us. We are a small company with limited man power.

The sticker issue should be addressed. As you can imagine this has been a frustrating process for us. We in essence have a product that we do believe in and have installed in our own personal vehicles. We know this Catch Can works as it should. In hindsight maybe we should not of put a McNally Sticker over the RX Label. This will no longer be done. We will be putting a decal on the RX Catch Can “manufactured by McNally”.

There have been many public claims about the RX Oil Catch Can such as catastrophic failures and knock off manufacturing in China. We have never had a consumer come to us with a Catch Can that has had catastrophic failure. And if we did it would be immediately addressed and handled. All of those claims have been made by Tracy Lewis. We have no proof that this is the factual case.

Our clientele has very high standards and requires expert engineering. We are not in the business of “knocking off” products. If we were we would not have the clientele that we have. All of our components that is manufactured go thru 100% testing in Zephryhills, Florida. That means that every single product, component or item is inspected and tested before it is sent out. We do have some of our components manufactured in China. This is a business decision. We would love to have ALL components made in the U.S.A. but until Americans are willing to pay for that cost we, as many other companies, will manufacture in China.

There is much confusion about the RX Performance Products Catch Can. We here at McNally have been manufacturing components for vehicles for many years now. There is a very good possibility that the vehicle you drive today has a component in it that has been manufactured by McNally. We are not limited to the auto/truck industry but do work with aviation and aerospace. We are an engineering company.

We are a small company that has a support staff. We do not work out of a garage shop and have all necessary elements that you need to run a business in the Auto Parts Industry. I think people out there would be amazed by what you need to run this type of business. The insurance alone is not something to be taken lightly. We do not go from investor to investor stripping them of their money.

We have been polite and sat quietly thru this storm. We are not in the business of slander or liability. We are here develop quality products that are engineered for performance.

 

[Mike Wood]

RX MONSTER CATCH CAN....JOKE'S ON ME.

something from McNally…

We are NOT associated with Tracy Lewis, Team RXP, RXP Canada or Ski Motor Sports, LLC.

In 2015 McNally purchased RX Extreme and RX Performance Products. Tracy Lewis was an employee of this company and with a team of McNally Engineers developed the RX Oil Catch Can that is on the market today and manufactured by McNally. When Tracy Lewis left this company all intellectual property was legally granted/sold/bought by to McNally Electronics, Inc.

This includes:
RX Catch Can
Catch Can
Single valve Catch Can
Dual Valve Catch Can
Catch Can
RX Clean Side Separator
RX Super Charger
RX Super Chiller

Unfortunately, Tracy Lewis proceeded to use mentioned intellectual property without the consent or authorization of McNally Electronics, Inc., Aviation Instrument Technologies, Inc., Extreme Auto Products or any other Companies associated with McNally Electronics, Inc.

There are several issues in this post that we would like to address.

First let’s take the instruction guides. These are meant to be guides not technical install directions. We are currently in the process of having a certified technical writer write the install directions. This is a long process that goes thru many channels. Not only does someone who is certified have to write them but then they must go thru the engineering department to determine if all technical aspects are correct. It could be months before we see anything.

Also, take into consideration that the guides that are put in the box clearly state:

“NOTICE - We have provided 6 (six) possible installation diagrams for different engine configurations. Please select the correct installation guide.
Before you start KNOW THIS: the installation of this product in your vehicle requires substantial knowledge of your vehicle's engine and its internal functions. Many "do-it-yourselfers" are fully capable of properly installing this product while others are NOT.

Being a confident person, while helpful, does not necessarily bring with it such knowledge!

Please seek professional advice, or help, if you cannot ACCEPT FULL RESPONSIBILITY for any vehicle damage resulting from YOUR improper installation.”

By no means are these guides meant to be exact installation instructions. They are general guides for different engine configurations. The problem is there are 100’s of different engines that an Oil Catch Can can be installed. It is not possible to send technical installation instructions for every engine configuration with the catch can. We are doing our best to provide instructions on our website. Please be patient with us. We are a small company with limited man power.

The sticker issue should be addressed. As you can imagine this has been a frustrating process for us. We in essence have a product that we do believe in and have installed in our own personal vehicles. We know this Catch Can works as it should. In hindsight maybe we should not of put a McNally Sticker over the RX Label. This will no longer be done. We will be putting a decal on the RX Catch Can “manufactured by McNally”.

There have been many public claims about the RX Oil Catch Can such as catastrophic failures and knock off manufacturing in China. We have never had a consumer come to us with a Catch Can that has had catastrophic failure. And if we did it would be immediately addressed and handled. All of those claims have been made by Tracy Lewis. We have no proof that this is the factual case.

Our clientele has very high standards and requires expert engineering. We are not in the business of “knocking off” products. If we were we would not have the clientele that we have. All of our components that is manufactured go thru 100% testing in Zephryhills, Florida. That means that every single product, component or item is inspected and tested before it is sent out. We do have some of our components manufactured in China. This is a business decision. We would love to have ALL components made in the U.S.A. but until Americans are willing to pay for that cost we, as many other companies, will manufacture in China.

There is much confusion about the RX Performance Products Catch Can. We here at McNally have been manufacturing components for vehicles for many years now. There is a very good possibility that the vehicle you drive today has a component in it that has been manufactured by McNally. We are not limited to the auto/truck industry but do work with aviation and aerospace. We are an engineering company.

We are a small company that has a support staff. We do not work out of a garage shop and have all necessary elements that you need to run a business in the Auto Parts Industry. I think people out there would be amazed by what you need to run this type of business. The insurance alone is not something to be taken lightly. We do not go from investor to investor stripping them of their money.

We have been polite and sat quietly thru this storm. We are not in the business of slander or liability. We are here develop quality products that are engineered for performance.

So why after all IP was legally granted/sold/bought did you start making the catch can cheaper/different? They used to be an all welded design with sturdy brackets, nice finishes, etc. Now in virtually every single install thread that people post, they consistently state how they are cheaper feeling than their buddies' cans that are the older genuine models, mounting issues, finish isn't as great, parts seeming to be made more in China/overseas compared to US before, etc. Kind of makes people believe they are not getting the same level of quality even though the price is still the same.

Not taking up for either you or the old RX, just stating the facts of what people are consistently saying...

 

[McNally]

So why after all IP was legally granted/sold/bought did you start making the catch can cheaper/different? They used to be an all welded design with sturdy brackets, nice finishes, etc. Now in virtually every single install thread that people post, they consistently state how they are cheaper feeling than their buddies' cans that are the older genuine models, mounting issues, finish isn't as great, parts seeming to be made more in China/overseas compared to US before, etc. Kind of makes people believe they are not getting the same level of quality even though the price is still the same.

Not taking up for either you or the old RX, just stating the facts of what people are consistently saying...

The only thing different on the RX Catch Can from you are use to seeing is the outer finish. Internal components are completely the same. It is one thing to have the ability (like most of us would) to open up your hood and show it off. Not everyone wishes to do that. We believe that an Oil Catch Can is a essential need for many engines that are produced out there these days. Looking good with a slick finish is not something that would be considered the average need for most people with GDI Engines that produce blow-by. Eliminating that cost in production only brings the cost down for the consumer. Let's face it, that can be a very determining factor when it comes to purchasing ANYTHING for the consumer.


As of right now there are many Oil Catch Can Manufactures out there with a large price difference to choose from. You can buy Oil Catch Cans out there that look fantastic and will only cost you $16. I would recommend choosing function over look.


There seems to be a big deal as to where the components for this product are made. Again, this is a business decision. We would love to have everything made in the USA. But the truth of the matter is... it costs to much. Even major car manufactures practice the same method we do.


The cost for the RX Catch Can has gone down. But the cost is not all in the can. We have decided to put EPA and CARB certified hoses with our kits. Those cost as much as the can! There was much deliberation with this decision. Do you put in hoses that will take the cost down by half just to make a buck or do you keep the quality in mind you have with this product in the first place? I want to stress quality here. O sure, it is not the prettiest can on the block but it does a great job in trapping particulates from blow-by.

 

[timtrace]

Hello, McNally, I'm the OP. Thanks for joining the discussion. May I lay out my remaining concerns as concisely as possible?

I don't like the McNally stickers. Nothing at all against your company, and I mean that sincerely, but in our circles (F150 EB owners) RX Performance is a more familiar name. Could I get a set of the "RX by McNally" stickers for the can and the CSS?

The bracket I received is crap. I was able to work around it, even had a little fun doing it. Still, I hope you are eventually able to justify the cost of including an improved bracket in the kit.

I'm very glad to hear you're developing more specific instructions. I imagine you could do even better with some YouTube videos, even very simple phone-shot ones. Your demographic might appreciate those more than paper.

If you can't include OEM PCV connectors in the kit due to cost, please include a very specific note about how to obtain them. Basically, you buy the parts from a dealer and cannibalize them.

Finally, I wonder if you can help with this. My can won't drain until I blow air *up* the tube. As you can imagine this tastes awful and looks silly on a date The can is sealed, so I'm skeptical that removing the drain valve will prove to be useful as I won't be able to see far into the can, or remove any serious obstruction. Can you please advise on this?

Thank you for your time.

 

[Mike Wood]

Umm, pretty sure the can not being fully welded anymore is a little bit larger difference than a "finish"...

Whatever though, glad I got mine when I did when quality was better and OEM fittings were included for no extra charge. Best of luck timtrace, I hope you get it all sorted out

 

[ecofriendly]

I've researched this and installed a real genuine RX can....Purchased from Teamrxp, rx catch can, ecoboost rx monster can original RX can becasue they are local by me. After seeing my friends Chevy truck and how the can performed I called them. James told me the whole story about how UPR copied Tracy's original design and even had emailed him about it. This is no surprise as UPR has been doing this for years with their mustang products. He also told me about the Mcnally company trying to purchase a company from Tracy but they never gave Tracy any money just hired him on for 3 months and stole his idea and design. Tracy is now making his own cans, and Teamrxp is making the real tig welded original RX kits. All I can say is my kit works as good as my buddy Kurt's with his Chevy. I actually catch more than him in less miles. From what I understand if you want a real RX can you have to buy from them.

 

[ecofriendly]

totally agree, I'm glad I got the welded can my self.

Umm, pretty sure the can not being fully welded anymore is a little bit larger difference than a "finish"...

Whatever though, glad I got mine when I did when quality was better and OEM fittings were included for no extra charge. Best of luck timtrace, I hope you get it all sorted out

 

[ecofriendly]

I have a friend that had a real RX tig welded can installed on his truck on Friday, he has a 2016 silverado but its still a nice truck.....turns out he found out that Mcnally tried to buy RX and the deal went south but continued making RX designed catch cans. He told me that if you do not get one direct from teamrxp.com you will get a copied brand. If you go to rx speed works website you can see they are selling the Mcnally can. My buddies name is Kurt and he loves his system. He lives in Fort Meyers and he purchased from teamrxp

Update on this...I purchased another for my 2014 escape. The only real welded rx catch cans available are from REAL ORIGINAL RX CATCH CAN DEVELOPERS AND MANUFACTURERS no longer sold anywhere else.