Ok so some may know about this some may not but it is something that is coming on strong with many showings at dealerships across America. So as most know it is timing chains that are prematurely stretching causing this startup noise. The news is that there is updated parts out there to address this and Ford now has a TSB on this issue formally admitting to it being a common problem. I go over it all in this video. There is also a link to just how it sounds in the description of the video on youtube. Hopefully more dealers will be willing to dive into the engine with some guidance from Ford now.
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My chain has been rattling for the last 4 months. I have dropped off at the dealer twice and it did not make the rattle. After going back and forth, I got the dealership to accept videos as evidence. I have full powertrain warranty, and I'm dropping truck off on Monday. But before FORD will authorize the repair, the dealer is supposed to look at oil filter for shavings, verify crankshaft end play is out of spec, and check the cams for scarring and report back. Sounds like they are trying to get out of doing the repair and I'm getting ready to get the shaft. Has anyone else had to go through this bull**** before fix was "authorized"?
Maybe if the crank and cam are whacked up they will toss in a new motor under warranty. OH WAIT. That would totally benefit you.
I've always thought the noise came from the tensioner loosing oil prime or pressure after sitting awhile causing the chain to be loose for a moment on start up. The new tensioner looks like it has a ratcheted shaft on it that locks it in place as parts ware. Keeping the chain tight. Is that what that is?
Well I just dropped it off this afternoon. Again, I’m afraid I’m getting ready to get the shaft if they check everything they say they are going to and find nothing wrong. I don’t see where the cams would be effected from timing chain stretch. I Will keep you guys posted.
I've just started to get the rattle at 105k. Sounds like a fan blade hitting something for a few seconds on cold start.
Any recommendations on taking it into the dealer, eg. what all should I ask for? I've got premium care so I want to make sure everything that can be replaced will be replaced.
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Any recommendations on taking it into the dealer, eg. what all should I ask for? I've got premium care so I want to make sure everything that can be replaced will be replaced.
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So Ford is self-inflicting more trouble for them and the customer. Crazy.
Supply-chaining is far more complicated than the consumer might realize.
We simply assume the OEM would know what they're doing.
Nice service offer Ryan.
Supply-chaining is far more complicated than the consumer might realize.
We simply assume the OEM would know what they're doing.
Nice service offer Ryan.
Well, it happened to me. 2012 3.5. P0016 codes all over the place. Ford said it is a stretched chain. They didn't know about the need to replace the phasers. I had to ask for that. $3,500. I've got to ask what tsb they are working from to see their parts list.
After it's fixed, should I sell the truck? It's only got 75,000 miles.
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After it's fixed, should I sell the truck? It's only got 75,000 miles.
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Ford days tsb 17-0026:
Tech(s):
BL3Z*6D256*B 1 TENSIONER
BR3Z*6584*B 1 GASKET
DL3Z*6584*C 1 GASKET
BL3Z*9417*A 1 GASKET
FL*500*S 1 FILTER ASY - OIL
*W503297*S900 1 BOLT
*W520100*S437 1 NUT - HEX.
TA*357* 1 SEALANT - SILICONE
ZC*30*A 1 REMOVER - SILICONE
ZC*31*B 1 CLEANER - METAL
SURFACE
VC*3*B 1 ANTI-FREEZE
XO*5W30*DSP 6 OIL - ENGINE 22.50
AT4Z*6256*B 2 SPR Rply STOP to OptOut.
Did anyone know if this includes the VTCs, or VCTs? I'm still trying to get a handle on the terminology.
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Tech(s):
BL3Z*6D256*B 1 TENSIONER
BR3Z*6584*B 1 GASKET
DL3Z*6584*C 1 GASKET
BL3Z*9417*A 1 GASKET
FL*500*S 1 FILTER ASY - OIL
*W503297*S900 1 BOLT
*W520100*S437 1 NUT - HEX.
TA*357* 1 SEALANT - SILICONE
ZC*30*A 1 REMOVER - SILICONE
ZC*31*B 1 CLEANER - METAL
SURFACE
VC*3*B 1 ANTI-FREEZE
XO*5W30*DSP 6 OIL - ENGINE 22.50
AT4Z*6256*B 2 SPR Rply STOP to OptOut.
Did anyone know if this includes the VTCs, or VCTs? I'm still trying to get a handle on the terminology.
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I asked them if they planned on replacing the phasers and they said"no". I told them to, which added almost $1,000 to the bill. My concern is that the sensors, and solenoids won't get replaced. From pics I've seen, it looks like solenoids are internal, and I'll lose my chance. But the sensors are on a wiring loom external to the engine, and can be replaced by me later.
Since the truck is out of waranty, they'll do whatever I pay for. I just don't went this to cost $5,000.
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Since the truck is out of waranty, they'll do whatever I pay for. I just don't went this to cost $5,000.
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Ryan, posting Gen2 eye-candy in this thread is a heartbreaker, unless you point out that you have even BETTER Gen1 pieces coming down the pipe. 
It's true. Mosey on over to his never-ending-build-thread. Ryan describes an upcoming Gen1 timing chain solution.
I realize it's not much consoling for anyone who needs it yesterday, but if you can nurse that baby along for just a few weeks more......
I'm a happy Gen2'er and very pleased at the things Ford addressed. But I also know that eventually the Gen2 weaknesses WILL be revealed. It just takes miles\time.
So I don't gloat! (much)
It's true. Mosey on over to his never-ending-build-thread. Ryan describes an upcoming Gen1 timing chain solution.
I realize it's not much consoling for anyone who needs it yesterday, but if you can nurse that baby along for just a few weeks more......
I'm a happy Gen2'er and very pleased at the things Ford addressed. But I also know that eventually the Gen2 weaknesses WILL be revealed. It just takes miles\time.
So I don't gloat! (much)
Guys I am pretty sure I heard the dreaded sound this morning upon cold start up! It didn't do it again after that I called dealership and they of course played it off. I have 79k on my 2013 F150. I do have Stated Policy with Easy-care and timing chain is a covered part but I wonder if it actually has to fail first? Does anyone have experience with an extended warranty and this particular issue?
These horrible aluminum tensioners they send people are a problem. They are not working well, they are week IMO, and I will not and cannot use them. So take what I say with a grain of salt but look for yourself. Geomoetry is very close on primary chain, so the aluminum tensioner I installed this morning, I’ve removed several times, it has broken once, and it moved out .500” so far spinning the timed motor over 75 times
Yes. \/
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No (full disclosure, all my customers run image one tensioner, not the one below. All of them are smiling ear to ear with zero issues.
No. \/
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And here is a raptor with 9600 miles on it. Why doesn’t this use up almost all the teeth to tension? Hummmmm?
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Yes. \/
No (full disclosure, all my customers run image one tensioner, not the one below. All of them are smiling ear to ear with zero issues.
No. \/
And here is a raptor with 9600 miles on it. Why doesn’t this use up almost all the teeth to tension? Hummmmm?
I have a 2011 f 150 that has been in the shop 3 times 3weeks at the time and can tell you this truck was pushed on me as being better than the v8 , nothing but problems . the twitter for ford guy i tweeted and @FTC was @kenatcman. Any one having this problem or attorney interested should get a class action lawsuit started. 2009-2011 vehicles are having this problem with v6 twin turbo
My recommendation is that dual variable overhead cam engines should be worked on by qualified persons. It is not cut and dry, and it is not just lining timing marks. Trust me, I get many calls.
Not saying don’t do the work yourself, but make sure you can take this job on and worse afford the new motor should it be wrong.
There are changes right now to primary tensioner and some parts. From our testing and development the newest tensioner and some components that are the new updated parts are not the best ones to use.
Not saying don’t do the work yourself, but make sure you can take this job on and worse afford the new motor should it be wrong.
There are changes right now to primary tensioner and some parts. From our testing and development the newest tensioner and some components that are the new updated parts are not the best ones to use.
I'm only to page 46 yet, but it appears some last 60k+ miles after they first hear it, and some went 200 miles between first noise and failure. My engine had intermittent phaser noise on startup when i bought it, and worked fine for over 12k miles, but now I believe I'm busted.
The timing phaser clacking and a stretched chain are generally two different things and should not be treated as one.
1-When the variable cam timing in degrees intake bank1 rolls aft (positive) +6 degrees you will throw a check engine light indicating a stretched chain.
2-I am not saying not the have the phaser clacking issue addressed but if you are able to watch your
variable cam timing as mentioned you ***can*** generally know where you stand.
3-Oil analysis will be important in my opinion to monitor wear. The phasers clacking on cold start is a result of phaser bleeding down or draining back which it is not suppose to do.
4- If you want to help your situation regarding the cold start noise. (let’s say you don’t have the money and are in a tight spot) and you literally cannot fix the truck do to those type of circumstances)
Put your foot to the floor turn the key until the oil pressure builds then let off the peddle and start the truck. Oil pressure will build filling what has drained back or bled down. It isn’t a permanent fix and should not be treated as such. However it will prevent that cold start clacking noise which will prevent accelerated wear in the phasers. It will do nothing with any accelerated stretching of the chain.
If you do notice your variable cam timing intake bank 1 rolling to + 6 degrees or more, you should have it fixed because letting it go, it will eventually stretch past what is acceptable and you will bend a valve or have other issues.
1-When the variable cam timing in degrees intake bank1 rolls aft (positive) +6 degrees you will throw a check engine light indicating a stretched chain.
2-I am not saying not the have the phaser clacking issue addressed but if you are able to watch your
variable cam timing as mentioned you ***can*** generally know where you stand.
3-Oil analysis will be important in my opinion to monitor wear. The phasers clacking on cold start is a result of phaser bleeding down or draining back which it is not suppose to do.
4- If you want to help your situation regarding the cold start noise. (let’s say you don’t have the money and are in a tight spot) and you literally cannot fix the truck do to those type of circumstances)
Put your foot to the floor turn the key until the oil pressure builds then let off the peddle and start the truck. Oil pressure will build filling what has drained back or bled down. It isn’t a permanent fix and should not be treated as such. However it will prevent that cold start clacking noise which will prevent accelerated wear in the phasers. It will do nothing with any accelerated stretching of the chain.
If you do notice your variable cam timing intake bank 1 rolling to + 6 degrees or more, you should have it fixed because letting it go, it will eventually stretch past what is acceptable and you will bend a valve or have other issues.
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