Hey all. Like title says, what happens if you just live with the noise? Ford says that's all it is anyway, annoying noise. Does anyone have proof or can share experience where ignoring it caused catastrophic damage (that can be 100% attributed to a noisy vct unit). Thanks!
IGNORING CAM PHASER NOISE.
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My 2018 is currently in the shop getting this repair. I'm at 132,000 and it's been making the noise for probably 50,000. It has gotten worse over time and is really noisy now. Some people claim it only happens when the truck has been sitting for a few hours which was initially true but I can say it rattles any time it sits for more then 15 min or so now so basically every start unless the engine was just running.
Hoping to get 200k+ so getting this taken care of now (hopefully). Next up I'll continue to watch the turbo rattle on deceleration after a cold start and see how that progresses.
Hoping to get 200k+ so getting this taken care of now (hopefully). Next up I'll continue to watch the turbo rattle on deceleration after a cold start and see how that progresses.
Really makes one wonder how it all ends. I was/am a fan of the ecoboost from the start. Then this cam phaser issue. Yes, all engines are susceptible to some sort of problem, no matter who makes them. But literally thousands of ecoboosts are affected by this phaser issue, going back a decade or more. Now I'm seeing even 2021 and 2022's with the startup chatter. I am still not taking mine in. The rattle is short and only when cold. Been this way for 12,000 miles, with no change. But I have to wonder if my time is limited. I want to hear from more owners that had the cam phaser noise at low mileage, did nothing, and got 6, 7 or 10 more years out of their motors without any issues other than startup chatter. I know there are a few on here that had it get worse to the point of needing repair. But cmon, not EVERY engine with the cam phaser noise has to need torn apart right? I mean, that would be tens of thousands or more. Wouldn't there be more uproar? Wouldn't Ford be out of business? My guess is, 1 of every 3 ecoboosts have the noise, and out of those, maybe 20% to 25% actually will need work before the end of their useful life (200,000 miles or more).
I have not yet heard reports of phaser issues with 2021+ trucks.
I have heard plenty of folks with coldstart wastegate noise. And cold weather IWE groaning.
I have heard plenty of folks with coldstart wastegate noise. And cold weather IWE groaning.
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I don't think those folks join forums. I am certain there are hundreds of thousands of trucks with cam phaser noises that the owners have no clue what it is, don't hear it, or have been told its nothing to worry about and they just keep motoring on.
I suppose I'm just repeating the original question of this thread anyway lol.
You nailed it. We hear from the negative side. I'll bet there's a majority of owners who just put gas in and drive over 100,000 miles with a phaser rattle and no other issues. The people taking their vehicles in for engine tear downs are most likely the minority. That's what we get for being mechanically inclined I suppose.
Maybe ignorance really is bliss?
That’s why I always take any review with a grain of salt, bc even if everyone had availability to report, not many people think “oh I need to bring this up” after a good experience or no problems but with something wrong or gone bad it taps into the “I’m going to let them know” therefore majority of reviews are negative, I’m also skeptical of something has NO negative reviews or reported problems.
1st gen, but I put near 100k on mine with startup rattle before making the repair earlier this year. It did slowly get to be a more common occurrence, even with the “snake start” (aka flood start) preventative technique (somebody did coin that officially, right?)
I might still be living with it had i not blown another manifold bolt that demanded prompt attention.
All that said, it seems the gen 2 is more of a phaser problem where the gen 1 was chain stretch, even though both have multiple phaser part updates
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Neighbor 2 doors down has a 2018-ish Silverado. He travels for work and his truck wasn’t on the driveway for a couple of week. I was walking by and finally see him parking the truck and getting out. I said something like “you must be very busy being out of town for so long”. He said “no. I’ve been working from home while my truck has been in the shop with an overheating transmission. I never knew these Silverado’s had any transmission problems. Took the dealer a couple months to get parts and 2 weeks to fix it”.
I asked him if he ever checks online for problems his year truck may have?
He said “No. why would I?”
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I have a 2011 3.5 and currently have 468k miles. Have had cam phaser noise for probably at least 250k miles. Truck runs fine, no codes. At this point see no reason to spend $3k on cam phasers. In fact still have original turbos.
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I think a good number of people begin to notice the rattle and start looking to trade it off. We bought a '12 Lariat with 164k and not long after I changed the oil I noticed the noise. Possibly put some magic in the oil before trading or at that small dealer. It was fixed since it came with a good 6 mo warranty. Ended up trading it for the '19 Lariat and hope to keep it till I can't get in it. We also bought a '18 Expedition and I thought I heard it at the (different) dealer and pushed for a good price on a warranty. It does have it after setting a day or so and will be getting repaired in a few weeks when I can get it scheduled. The warranty will pay for the repair, and most anything else for the the next three years will just be a bonus if needed. I didn't mind buying it like that because I knew it could be fixed and I would know when it got fixed.
Something of an aside...I asked the dealer nearby that will do it if they do many (wanting experience), and they said they did two that week and it was pretty common. Not sure how that translates into numbers, but still seems pretty common. As has been said, any vehicle has their issues, some more than others, but I really love the 3.5 and have been willing to take the chance because I think it a great engine. With quirks. But still great and would gladly buy another one.
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Unfortunately they're starting to pop up here and there on the Facebook pages now, and weirdly enough 2.7's as well.
Interesting... For clarification, are the 2.7 issues being reported with first or second gen? Or both?
I admit that I will be under-informed if that's the source.
But I will always find it odd if the reports are ONLY on FB. Clarification..... :
The "forums" and a few popular YouTube channels are my personal hangout, and phasers are pretty much mum. At least at this point.
But of course if these phasers are going to be a problem, it is inevitable that it won't be quiet for long.
But I will always find it odd if the reports are ONLY on FB. Clarification..... :
The "forums" and a few popular YouTube channels are my personal hangout, and phasers are pretty much mum. At least at this point.
But of course if these phasers are going to be a problem, it is inevitable that it won't be quiet for long.
Same story as you, but only have 330k on my 2012 3.5
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what really bugs me about the phaser rattle is that some people have had their trucks repaired multiple times. Is the cause really being addressed? what If the cause was something other than the phasers? A really expensive cause to remedy? Luckily at 140K miles I have not had the rattle yet. I just have the mysterious 1 quart of oil consumption going to Texas from Iowa and no oil consumption on the return trip.
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It’s uphill to Iowa; oil ran out the back. đź¤
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No,no. It’s on the trip from Iowa to Matagorda. Going home it doesn’t use a drop. Twice this has happened, this year and last. I think it’s the increase in the air pressure from 1100 feet to sea level interfering with the turbo discombobulator.
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Obviously the leak is in the front of the engine then.
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