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For us when we were buying at the end of 2014, it was about towing aspects that the max trailer tow Ford had over Toyota that won us over - some of which Toyota addressed in the past few years. Toyota didn't have integrated brake controller and trailer anti-say (which they since added as option), fuel tank was much smaller - Toyota was 26 gal. max and Ford offered 36 gal. max (which translates to~100 miles less when towing with the Tundra) and Ford offered more available payload with the options we were looking at. The additional payload allows us to put our family of five plus tow our travel trailer within the rated specs. The fully boxed frame that the F-150 offered along with the Toyota frame rust issues - mostly on older Tacomas but spanned many years, but on other models as well and Toyota's response, were concerning to me especially putting my family inside and towing the travel trailer. If we were buying today a lot of these gaps have been closed by Toyota, so it would be a very difficult decision if buying again. If driven only for personal use, I think the gap would be closer. Good luck with your decision!

 

To me it drives like a car and seems like it would be fragile to be actually used as a truck. I think the ECO has great power but I do miss the V8.

Only a communist would go from a Ford to a foreign truck, are you a communist?

You should look more into the f150 chassis, it is better than an other truck and your year is highest safety rating. Don't get it twisted, companies are making nice trucks now because that is what the customer wants, it is still a truck. I think since you have a Platinum, you might have less towing because it comes with the 22's right? That is the only thing holding it back the tires.

The eco will out tow any n/a v8 if that's what you mean by "using it as a truck"

Also as I preach to many people, buy something, take care of it and hold on to it unless you have money to blow. There is no point in switching cars to start over on payments(assuming your truck and this topper model TRD is same price point now)

 

The platinum has 20" wheels and is a max tow model so it will tow.

I am a fan of the power the Ecoboost puts out but I do have some quality control issues.
It has wind noise that Ford says "they all do it so it's normal"
1 out of 5 starts my radio doesn't work
The fact that I have to run a catch can and catch a good amount of milky sludge is a turnoff and add to that some dealers say it will void the warranty.

I just looked at my frame and it is indeed boxed the entire length, the Tundra is only boxed to the firewall.

Now I am sure the Tundra has its share of issues

 

I had a 2007 and 2010 Tundra and had zero issues with them; with that said Toyota's success is a blessing and a curse; when Toyota finds something that works it really works, when then find something that works they will not change it; the engine and tranny in the latest Tundra is the same that it had in 2007. When I bought the Tundra it blew the F150 out of the water but Ford has improved and evolved hence why I have the F150.

And the Tundra is more American built than the F150 is...

 

That being said if you could do it over again would you have purchased another Tundra?

Heck I just emptied my catch cans and noticed that with only 4K miles on my truck, my oil level has risen. I thought Ford would have figured this out after TSB 15-003.

 

I understand the catch can thing, but at the same time I don't.

You don't HAVE to run a catch can. Many don't and have no problems.

But as to the blow by that it helps with, it's a by product or the direct injection, which allows us to get the power that we do, and from a v6. Which also allows us that bump in fuel economy. It's not really something Ford did wrong, it's just direct injection. And I think direct injection was oh so right .

Plus I think the yotas are ugly, and I like my nice ride. I had f250s that beat me to death for years. Lol

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Less power, less comfort, and less fuel economy I'd say!

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I can't agree with the superior drivetrain esp after having the Tundra and a 2012 Seq with the same drivetrain; they are solid and reliable but again, they are not bettering their vehicles, just staying tried and true.

 

According to Reuters, Toyota has reached a settlement in a class action lawsuit involving owners of various Toyota trucks with severe frame rust. The settlement is for $3.4 billion and will pay for inspecting and replacing frames on affected trucks. It also allows Toyota to avoid admitting any wrongdoing. In total, this settlement could include 1.5 million 2005-2010 Toyota Tacomas, 2005-2008 Sequoias, and 2007-2008 Tundras. Reuters reports that vehicles are eligible up to 12 years to the day that they were sold. The Wall Street Journal reports that Toyota will reach out to owners via mail, notices to publications, and internet methods.

This is far from the first time Toyota has dealt with troublesome rust on its pickup trucks. The company fixed many frames and even expanded its rust perforation warranty on 1995-2000 Toyota Tacomas. That warranty covered over 800,000 trucks. Toyota also had to issue a recall for 2001-2003 Tundras for frame rust. That latter recall also led to a payout of $25 million to Toyota from Dana, the company that supplied the frames. Two years ago, Tacomas from 2005-2011 were also recalled for leaf springs that could rust and break.







Click on the link you posted about top 10, which supports Ford as number one and read it. The scores show right what I am referencing to, "Kogod Made in America Auto Index Score" and it also has a link directly to the "Kogod Made in America Auto Index"

Canada counts as US. This study is good because it factors in a number of different factors, including if the company is US or not, because money still goes out of country with Toyota.

 

LOL...Canada counts as the US? Ok....anyway....it is very close and I am not interested in a pissing contest with you....

I will answer any questions about the Tundra/Seq since I had those vehicles but I am done with WooBoost.

 

This is not a pissing contest, I am right and I want to make sure it is known. The internet is full of people saying "well my toyota or whatever is actually more American made blah blah blah." This started years ago when articles started showing up stating this fact, then it spread all over the internet and now people continue to say it even when it is not true is certain circumstances. Most of these made in America lists don't account for where the profits go either.

And yes, Canada does count together in the AALA number "U.S. and Canadian content are combined into one number." The American University report goes into detail to add on this and how it applies to their research. They say it is not the best for accuracy and their research goes more in depth, so looking at your Edmunds link, even though they say tie, the American study says 82.5 vs 76 for 2015.


O and i am pretty sure the 5.0 is Canada and the Ecoboost is Cleveland which makes the Eco more American.


And people say I am brand loyal or whatever, good at least I stand for something, unlike most today.

 

I *believe* that many of the ecoboost engines are built in Ohio.

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Tundra's are nice but me personally would give the nissan titan Cummins a good look if I was going to trade.

 

I like motor tends comment on the Nissan. It looks like a sat in the sun melted Ford.

 

The content sticker on the 2017 Tundra I looked at said 65% US content and 15% import. What I do not know is if the NAFTA results in the 65% being North American and not US?

I think the F-150's US made percentage is a lot higher but I can't find it anywhere

 

Where did the missing 20% come from?

 

China

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North American content includes US, Mexico and Canada. Makes you think only US though don't it sense we are so US centric.

A Canadian and an "American" (as in citizen of the US) were having a discussion about this and that over a few beers and as often happens the conversation devolved into a series of undefendable disagreements and the name calling.

"Well you Canucks aren't all that smart! Look at the name of your country, C A N A D A" the American spelled out.

The canadian thought a minute and then with a big grin pointed at his American friend "Well how smart is us aye?!"

 

I dont think it includes Mexico. If I vehicle is over 10% or is it 15% imported, it has to say on a seperate sticker by law on window. For example, last time I looked at Mustangs, it says 15% Mexico.

Really my communist thing was a joke. The f150 is better than tundra any way I see it, safety, towing, interior etc. If the catch can is the only argument well then that is just your choice. If anyone can provide any information to him, then do so.

 

FOREIGN vehicle manufacturers kill AMERICAN jobs, no matter how you look at it.

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Yup, but consider that they aren't just sold in the US.

 

I had a 2008 Tundra as a service vehicle (double cab, 5.7, Limited). It was a hand-me-down from my boss as he flips every two years, one year for him and one year for me. I'm by no means an abusive driver and yet the dash was lit up like a Christmas tree in a few months. It went in for warranty work 9 times in 4 months. Rear-end had to be re-built, ABS issues and would randomly stall. I have family that are HUGE Toy fans and have had good experiences, but I just can't bring myself to look at one.

I would rather drive the ugly duckling Titan with the Cummins.

It seems that you flip vehicles pretty often, so why are you worried about a catch can?

 

I have read that the Titan cummins is a dog. Feels slow and the turbo spools slowly. But I haven't driven it, so take that with a grain of salt. Seems I remember somebody here mentioning that also.

But I'm sure it technically is rated to tow more.

Everybody here is obviously going to tell you to go Ford. We love our trucks. My '16 2.7 is phenomenal so far at 15k miles. But we aren't spending your money. Drive them both. See if the dealer will let you take a tow. We can't make up your mind. The '17 3.5 will be epic.

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I just look at the possible money lost on the trade. A year old truck right off the lot has a loss in resale. Heck I have a 14 and worry about loving the new 17 and what I'm going to loss if I go that way.

 

Obviously beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but seriously who came up with that Tundra design (Butt Ugly IMO)..wait, maybe the dude that got fired from the new Titan program or- err vice versus.
Que the soundtrack from the "Good" Star Wars flick aka Darth Vader strolling the isles of his Death Star Rig.
I had a Titan for 10years (slightly messaged :grin...nothing brought a bigger smile on my mug than showing the Titan tail lights to a bloated Lexus.
Now...I don't even need a tune to thrash one off those Toyotas with my Boost.
Don't hardly ever see a Tundra pulling an oversized trailer....maybe a landscape trailer-lol
But hey they have a great resell value.


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My problem with your logic is that you want a Raptor, but dont wanna pay for it, so you go to a Tundra TRD pro? You do realize that the Raptor and TRD Pro are quite different. The Raptor has a fully built factory mid travel suspension with 35" tires while the TRD Pro is essentially just a Tundra with a factory level and bilstein shocks and some 32's slapped on. F150's come with 32's. You could build your F150 to be equal, or probably better than the TRD with a set of Fox 2.0's. You already have skids. $1500 and you're better off.

Heck, if you want have to have a tundra, you probably are better off buying a TRD Off-road and putting on your own shocks and tires then buying the TRD Pro

Also, youre on a ecoboost forum, no one agrees that the Toyota drivetrain or any V8 is better(well maybe no ANY v8). Sure they sound better, but if you got a tune on the ecoboost, then switched to a tundra, you would be severely disappointed. The only other motor I would put up against an EB is the GM L86 6.2L.

 

Tough crowd, didnt know I touched a nerve. The Raptor is not the end all be all of trucks either. They do not have the towing capability due to the off-road suspension so to safely tow you would need to add airbags. What appealed to me with the TRD was the proven engine, but thats about where things stop. I drove one today and did not care for it at all. The interior was not comfortable at all and looked out dated compared to my 16. I think what Im going to do is keep my Eco-boost and just keep draining my catch can. Hopefully down the road a Bilstein leveling kit will be available for these.

Thank you all for the opinions on the trucks.

 

I don't get why people want things and complain about the price in a non equal comparison. The Toyota is NOT the same truck as a raptor. Nor is the rebel.


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Plus, how much money are you gunna lose trading a 2016 F150 to get a tundra TRD pro? Money you could put towards making your F150 better than the Tundra.

 

Imports Suck!


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Yes she did!

 

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Took a ribbin and kept on tickin....welcome home again-lol

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