[jerry3741]

on 87 octane they are about the same, ~320 whp. On 93 octane the tundra doesn’t seem to pick up any power.

Ford has the HO 3.5 450 hp that they can drop in the F150.

 

[mdpopp30]

There is a reasonable limit on horsepower per cubic inch (even when boosted). I think that the ho hurricane at its 3 hp/ci is already pretty high for being factory stock. That's like a 3.5 with 640 hp stock, or a 2.7 with 490 hp stock. Sure...with enough mods (and lots of $) you can even get up to 4 hp/ci, but it's not very common on pump gas and won't likely last very long.

Ford doesn't have to respond as there is the supercharged coyote, but I would like to see the ecoboosts turned up 10 to 30%.

 

[NoTraxx]

Tried to find some Power to Weight ratios for the F 150 and others. I guess it is just too variable, and changes from trim to trim etc.
I see a lot of HP numbers thrown around, I don’t care about the HP….Gimme torque all day. Power starts with torque anyway.
The only reason for even giving the EB a try when stepping away from the diesel world was the torque starting low in the RPM range and a pretty flat curve the rest of the way.
I haven’t seen the Hurricane torque curves but due to the inline 6 engine config I can guess that the torque is early and flat, then add in the turbo to smooth it even more.
The only way I can see getting better than the inline cylinder design 4/6/8, would be an electric motor.
The V 4/6/8 config does better for getting RPM and HP but well, we do have speed limits. Granted with forced ind. you can get the torque up and in a useful range.
I prefer the forced induction to NA since it helps maintain when going to the higher elevations, but with Electric there is no loss of performance at elevation. Buuuutttttttt we don’t have the energy storage and infrastructure for that yet.

 

[boostkingMatt]

I would like to see the 3.5 Ecoboost with forged pistons and rods from the factory and 500hp and 600ftlbs of torque. If I was ford I would opt for that. Yes there’s issues associated with that but nothing that can’t be worked out and perfected.

 

[NoTraxx]

I am with Snakebitten, Ford is sandbagging the 3.5 EB. I am thinking that we will be getting a bump to just over the Hurricane. While it would be nice to get the 500hp and 600ftlbs that won’t be in the regular trucks anytime soon.

 

[snakebitten]

I am with Snakebitten, Ford is sandbagging the 3.5 EB. I am thinking that we will be getting a bump to just over the Hurricane. While it would be nice to get the 500hp and 600ftlbs that won’t be in the regular trucks anytime soon.

I hope we are right, of course. But I also agree with boostkingMatt that if Ford does decide to do less sandbagging, can they please upgrade some of those bargain basement components?

Nothing exotic necessary. Just increase the engineered headroom please. $300 increase in REAL co$t to Ford would be $50 per cylinder.
That might not buy much for a DIY motor builder. But an OEM mass producer? It's probably more than enough I would guess.

Just gleaning from others and pondering.

 

[havs54]

I hope we are right, of course. But I also agree with boostkingMatt that if Ford does decide to do less sandbagging, can they please upgrade some of those bargain basement components?

Nothing exotic necessary. Just increase the engineered headroom please. $300 increase in REAL co$t to Ford would be $50 per cylinder.
That might not buy much for a DIY motor builder. But an OEM mass producer? It's probably more than enough I would guess.

Just gleaning from others and pondering.

Or just bring out the 4.2 V8 Ecoboost....

 

[boostkingMatt]

Or just bring out the 4.2 V8 Ecoboost....

Or like a 3.8L v8 ecoboost

 

[mass-hole]

The coolant hits 248F(maybe higher) at the top of the IKE gauntlet when it was 59*F outside. See right at 37:00. He says the oil temp is 248 but you can see the symbol when they show the dash is coolant and it shows 248

So they have it cooled about as well as a 2014 Ecoboost it seems 😂

 

[Gord0]

I wish every manufacturer would just put a sufficient cooling system on their trucks. I know they could do it. I did it with my old truck. Yet to see how the new one will do...

 

[mass-hole]

I wish every manufacturer would just put a sufficient cooling system on their trucks. I know they could do it. I did it with my old truck. Yet to see how the new one will do...

It’s obvious they can. Look at the HD diesels. They can hook a 30000 lb trailer behind the 500hp powerstroke and floor it for 9-10 minutes straight and it doesn’t even flinch.

These engines are making around half that power on this climb I’m pretty sure.

 

[NoTraxx]

I think it is a matter of cooling for the usage.
1/2 ton trucks are not going to have the cooling like the 3/4 and 1 ton trucks.
I would love to see these turbo gassers for the 3/4 and 1 ton usage. Maybe a little more displacement and a cast iron block.

 

[boostkingMatt]

It’s obvious they can. Look at the HD diesels. They can hook a 30000 lb trailer behind the 500hp powerstroke and floor it for 9-10 minutes straight and it doesn’t even flinch.

These engines are making around half that power on this climb I’m pretty sure.

My 2022 3.5 would have made that truck look stupid if I was doing the same test.

 

[NoTraxx]

Well it seems like a head to head test between the F 150 EcoBoost and the RAM 1500 Hurricane needs to happen. Until it does then weeeeelllllllll…….

 

[boostkingMatt]

Well it seems like a head to head test between the F 150 EcoBoost and the RAM 1500 Hurricane needs to happen. Until it does then weeeeelllllllll…….

I think the Ecoboost 3.5 is going to be faster 0-60 than the regular hurricane and possibly the HO too??!

 

[Upshifter]

There's no way a (stock) EB beats the HO Hurricane unladen, with one exception:

Their HO is only available in the heaviest Ram trims, while you can get the 3.5 on less heavy trims like XLT.
And it also comes only with a 3.92 axle.

But trim for trim, the Ram is not much heavier than F150 actually; they use Aluminum on doors, hood, tailgate and now they've dropped the pig iron Hemi boat anchor for a few more lbs shaved.

 

[boostkingMatt]

There's no way a (stock) EB beats the HO Hurricane unladen, with one exception:

Their HO is only available in the heaviest Ram trims, while you can get the 3.5 on less heavy trims like XLT.
And it also comes only with a 3.92 axle.

But trim for trim, the Ram is not much heavier than F150 actually; they use Aluminum on doors, hood, tailgate and now they've dropped the pig iron Hemi boat anchor for a few more lbs shaved.

Yeah but did you see their 0-60 on TFL? Nothing overly impressive. My 3.5 stock ran quicker by a long shot.

 

[Upshifter]

Yeah but did you see their 0-60 on TFL? Nothing overly impressive. My 3.5 stock ran quicker by a long shot.

My mild 2015 did a faster 0-60 by a full second... if TFL's Solo DL and my OBD Link times are accurate and comparable...

... But I dont think those timers are as accurate as a Draggy, which makes comparisons difficult. Like a Dyno, I think TFL's time's are useful as an index in comparison only to other tests with the same timing equipment.


Plus that vid was on the Standard Output. Which I agree will be overshadowed by the 3.5.

Car and Driver has a Grand Waggoneer long wheel base with the same HO Hurricane tagging a 4.7 sec (or 5.0 sec with rollout) run to 60, and that particular Waggoneer weighed 6,428 lbs - almost 1k more lbs than a Ram with that engine can.

Ram claims 4.6 0-60 for the RHO, which is the portly TRX with the Hurricane in place of the Hellcat V8.

A lightly optioned Limited with the HO Hurricane will be trouble for a stock EcoBoost. From stoplight to stoplight anyway.

Where the Hurricane can go tuned is going to be interesting.
BMW B58's & S58's achieve 4-figure horsepower levels often.

 

[boostkingMatt]

My mild 2015 did a faster 0-60 by a full second... if TFL's Solo DL and my OBD Link times are accurate and comparable...

... But I dont think those timers are as accurate as a Draggy, which makes comparisons difficult. Like a Dyno, I think TFL's time's are useful as an index in comparison only to other tests with the same timing equipment.


Plus that vid was on the Standard Output. Which I agree will be overshadowed by the 3.5.

Car and Driver has a Grand Waggoneer long wheel base with the same HO Hurricane tagging a 4.7 sec (or 5.0 sec with rollout) run to 60, and that particular Waggoneer weighed 6,428 lbs - almost 1k more lbs than a Ram with that engine can.

Ram claims 4.6 0-60 for the RHO, which is the portly TRX with the Hurricane in place of the Hellcat V8.

A lightly optioned Limited with the HO Hurricane will be trouble for a stock EcoBoost. From stoplight to stoplight anyway.

Where the Hurricane can go tuned is going to be interesting.
BMW B58's & S58's achieve 4-figure horsepower levels often.

The HO is a different story. That’s not even an apple to apple comparison. But yeah, I cannot wait to see what a tune could do on the HO. We could see 1000hp probably with some upgraded turbos etc. but the Ecoboost is already way ahead of that with upgrade options and with the pistons and Rods available can also make 1000hp as well.

On the down low, I am contemplating building a short block for my 2022 truck with Wiseco rods, and Manley pistons.

 

[havs54]

The HO is a different story. That’s not even an apple to apple comparison. But yeah, I cannot wait to see what a tune could do on the HO. We could see 1000hp probably with some upgraded turbos etc. but the Ecoboost is already way ahead of that with upgrade options and with the pistons and Rods available can also make 1000hp as well.

On the down low, I am contemplating building a short block for my 2022 truck with Wiseco rods, and Manley pistons.

Lol called it