[Gord0]

Just saw some numbers for the tungsten trim with the HO. It's a pig, but quick in their testing. Only has a 26 gallon tank as well.

 

[mass-hole]

Just saw some numbers for the tungsten trim with the HO. It's a pig, but quick in their testing. Only has a 26 gallon tank as well.
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Yeah super heavy. I think that’s why the Powerboost was so close 0-60mph. I would think a Powerboost isn’t too far behind on power and has way more torque through most of first gear with 93 octane and maybe a little lighter.

But once the HO is up at full boil in the top of 1st gear it’s gunna start moving. And if they ever do a 4Xe version, that things gunna have like 700hp and torque

 

[boostkingMatt]

Yeah super heavy. I think that’s why the Powerboost was so close 0-60mph. I would think a Powerboost isn’t too far behind on power and has way more torque through most of first gear with 93 octane and maybe a little lighter.

But once the HO is up at full boil in the top of 1st gear it’s gunna start moving. And if they ever do a 4Xe version, that things gunna have like 700hp and torque

Yeah. The HO is a different story, we’re talking a bunch more power. But… the regular hurricane I do not think is actually any faster than a comparable f150 3.5L

Come on Ford! Come on ford! chanting let’s see that 550hp 3.5L with forged internals!!!!!!

 

[boostkingMatt]

If I was ford right now, I’d build a 3.5L the same as it is now and just upgrade rods and pistons to forged and then slap a slightly larger turbo or same size and just put about 20 psi in it, and let her eat. Get it up to around 550-570 hp at the crank and it should be solid. Probably need to do a few things to the transmission and driveline to preserve longevity but they could do it.

 

[mass-hole]

I mean all ford really has to do is drag the boost out to higher rpm. It’s making 500 ft lbs already, it just needs to make 500 at 6000 rpm and it would be making 550+ hp. Right now the torque tapers.

 

[Gord0]

The 21+ are already underrated by Ford, likely to keep raptor owners happy. I've seen almost 19psi on mine with the stock tune. Let it hold some more of that all the way to 6k and like you said, we'd easily see 550. Towing and cooling is where they'd run into trouble. Unless they automatically cut that when you were towing. The only thing I'd be really suspect of is the current pistons.

 

[boostkingMatt]

I mean all ford really has to do is drag the boost out to higher rpm. It’s making 500 ft lbs already, it just needs to make 500 at 6000 rpm and it would be making 550+ hp. Right now the torque tapers.

Yeah you’re right, my 2022 on stock tune was peaking to 15-17 psi and then at redline only 6 psi lol

 

[boostkingMatt]

The 21+ are already underrated by Ford, likely to keep raptor owners happy. I've seen almost 19psi on mine with the stock tune. Let it hold some more of that all the way to 6k and like you said, we'd easily see 550. Towing and cooling is where they'd run into trouble. Unless they automatically cut that when you were towing. The only thing I'd be really suspect of is the current pistons.

Exactly! I’m seeing almost 50 lb/min at over a mile above sea level with just 12 psi at redline, that’s a solid 500hp and timing isn’t increased at all yet.

 

[mass-hole]

The 21+ are already underrated by Ford, likely to keep raptor owners happy. I've seen almost 19psi on mine with the stock tune. Let it hold some more of that all the way to 6k and like you said, we'd easily see 550. Towing and cooling is where they'd run into trouble. Unless they automatically cut that when you were towing. The only thing I'd be really suspect of is the current pistons.

You couldn’t use 550 hp towing except for quick bursts. The most I’ve ever used pulling the steepest grades was like 300. I guess is you had like a 12000 lb travel trailer pulling a 7% grade you might use 350.

way back in the day, TFLTruck pulled an 11 or 12000 lb trailer up the IKE with a 2014 F150 Ecoboost at like 70 mph. It was like a 7:20 run.

 

[snakebitten]

Recent long trip at 75-80mph

A couple of times between key cycles I made moves at WOT.

The tattle tail on the Boost PID was definitely a value of ~19(+) PSI

 

[boostkingMatt]

I’m fairly maxed out on wastegate on only 12 psi right now at this elevation. Good thing I’ve got stage 4 turbos coming soon

 

[joshsteelers]

You have the most valid point in this whole chat. Sure the hurricane says 420hp but will that actually compete against a 3.5 eco? We will see.

Well it would appear the S.O. Hurricane is underrated considering F-150s tend to be a few hundred lbs lighter and the Ram is hitting 0-60mph a second quicker. (TFL Denver 100 test) I've seen a dyno test though and the Hurricane had like 5hp more but 5lb ft less so idk how this is possible.

 

[mdpopp30]

I wouldn't put too much stock in the tfl test at over a mile above sea level unless it's verified by others. The 3.5 eco really doesn't like 87 octane fuel (both trucks supposedly ran on 87) and you could have had a low oprioned 3.92 geared ram against a high optioned 3.31 geared f150.

Another thought is that the ram was a ringer lended to them to make the average ram seem better than they are in reality.

 

[Gord0]

Well it would appear the S.O. Hurricane is underrated considering F-150s tend to be a few hundred lbs lighter and the Ram is hitting 0-60mph a second quicker. (TFL Denver 100 test) I've seen a dyno test though and the Hurricane had like 5hp more but 5lb ft less so idk how this is possible.

The H.O. is about a second quicker than the Ecoboost. The standard hurricane is only a few tenths quicker. Likely to do with gearing, not power.

 

[boostkingMatt]

Well it would appear the S.O. Hurricane is underrated considering F-150s tend to be a few hundred lbs lighter and the Ram is hitting 0-60mph a second quicker. (TFL Denver 100 test) I've seen a dyno test though and the Hurricane had like 5hp more but 5lb ft less so idk how this is possible.

It’s all in the launch. You can tell that the ram launches way harder, ram must not nuke the truck on a launch. Ford on the other hand launches very poorly on the stock tune. My 2022 3.5 in Denver did a 5.7 second 0-60 completely stock, but it could have been like a 5.2 if the truck would have let me launch it harder, but it wouldn’t let me.

 

[EgregiousBlunder]

Yeah you’re right, my 2022 on stock tune was peaking to 15-17 psi and then at redline only 6 psi lol

Don't know what mine was stock, but at 19.14 psi the truck was starting to really become eye opening even on 35's with 3.55's and a 91 octane tow tune. But I've gotten curious about these HO Rams, and how well they will take to tuning.

 

[snakebitten]

I wouldn't be surprised if there's a lot of performance that can be gotten out of that turbocharged 3.0
But I'd always be a bit disappointed that it's bolted into a Fiat. 🙄 😁

 

[Gord0]

I wouldn't be surprised if there's a lot of performance that can be gotten out of that turbocharged 3.0
But I'd always be a bit disappointed that it's bolted into a Fiat. 🙄 😁

Throw that engine in a Fiat 500 and it'd be pretty fun. I'd volunteer to burn the tires off it and blow it up.

 

[boostkingMatt]

Don't know what mine was stock, but at 19.14 psi the truck was starting to really become eye opening even on 35's with 3.55's and a 91 octane tow tune. But I've gotten curious about these HO Rams, and how well they will take to tuning.

I don’t know if Ram is allowing tuning on their trucks honestly, not like ford does.

 

[EgregiousBlunder]

I don’t know if Ram is allowing tuning on their trucks honestly, not like ford does.

I've only seen small talk around the web and forums, everything is guessing 500+whp already. May be for the HO model, but I dont see the base Hurricane handling that much. Ram would be silly to not allow tuning, they know darn well guys want it for that reason alone.