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2013
Mileage: 98000
No Service Records

What concerns me is oil change duration, and transmission fluid changes.
Price is right on vehicle, condition is good, but 2 owners and no records.

Would there be any problem with a 2013 ecoboost engine if the oil changes irregular.
 
The biggest concern is whether it needs a ~$2400-3000 cam chain refresh or not.

(That is, if it seems to run really good and doesn't exhibit any obvious issues)


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What Snake said, If the chains haven't been done i would haggle that amount off the rig
 
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My 2013 has 90k miles and no rattle. I sure wouldn't throw money at a buyer for something that isn't broken.
 
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My 2013 has 90k miles and no rattle. I sure wouldn't throw money at a buyer for something that isn't broken.
Agreed, but considering the historical evidence of this required procedure on some percentage of Gen1 trucks, how do you ignore the possibility when buying a used sample with no records?

There's another new member that recently joined after purchasing an almost identical scenario, and quickly discovered that the truck is symptomatic of exactly this need.

It's just good due diligence to include the possibility in the negotiations, in my opinion.

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Private sale with no warranty I wouldn't do it. Not unless you're willing to take a gamble and spend the extra $3K for the whole timing chain, and phaser replacement.

These engines are kinda like BMW engines, they need timing replacement in most cases. Ford just hopes 9 times out of 10 you are out of warranty before the maintenance is needed.
 
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I believe the simple way to check for bad phasers/tensions is listen to a cold start. If the phasers are on their way our you'll hear a rattle that goes away quickly. Has to be an overnight sit. Don't let the owner start it before you see it or you'll miss it.

High chance the tranny hasn't been touched as Ford specifies a 150k mile fluid interval. That would be my bigger concern as most techs are recommending 30k mile intervals. Really depends on the usage, towing, etc which is very difficult to determine with a used truck.
 
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I believe the simple way to check for bad phasers/tensions is listen to a cold start. If the phasers are on their way our you'll hear a rattle that goes away quickly. Has to be an overnight sit. Don't let the owner start it before you see it or you'll miss it.

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Agree 100%, and the colder the better.

I personally "prime" my engine on cold mornings until I can see oil pressure. Only then will I let the engine start.

I believe it is the starvation of oil on start-up that causes premature wear on the phasers/tensioners. Frequent oil changes with full synthetic is another I believe you must do, if you wish to avoid the premature wear on the phasers/tensioners.
 
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Private sale with no warranty I wouldn't do it. Not unless you're willing to take a gamble and spend the extra $3K for the whole timing chain, and phaser replacement.

These engines are kinda like BMW engines, they need timing replacement in most cases. Ford just hopes 9 times out of 10 you are out of warranty before the maintenance is needed.
Agreed.

For every vehicle I have ever bought (and eventually sold), I always kept all my records ... to SHOW any prospective purchaser in the future how my truck was cared for, and ESPECIALLY the frequency, mileage and quality of oil used during changes. If it was a trade-in, most (but not all) dealers appreciated the documentation. If the dealer didn't appreciate the documentation, I usually walked from them. Bad feeling.

If I were purchasing a high mileage Ecoboost, I would insist on seeing the past service done on the vehicle. And if not available, I will assume I might have to do some serious work (say $5K or more) and deduct that off the price of the vehicle (assuming the asking price is a fair price, though that often not the case).

If there were no service records, I would use that as my reason for beating him up on the price. If the seller won't budge and stuck to his guns (though no documentation), that would be a good reason to walk away. If seller accepts my "adjusted offer", I would also assume the seller does know about the problem, found out the cost to repair, and now wants to off-load his Ecoboost. Hopefully I can get the EB price low enough, to cover the repairs (or a good chunk of it).

There are plenty of Ecoboosts out there. Don't get stuck with a poorly maintained vehicle that will need a lot of work, unless you can get a bargain and be prepared to do some possibly costly repairs.
 
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Oh yeah....no problem
Slap a SSI tune on that bad boy and sit back and....err, umm-WAIT, some OP already did that-lol>my bad
Just disregard.
Try and track down the 2 previous owners for a pinch info on the truck if possible. Any truck with those kind of miles is going to need some TLC. Just don't know internally what they may be by the eyeball/butt dyno test?
Do your due diligence!
Let's hope we don't see you in the ... " It appears that I lost a piston on either side of my engine block-why?">Thread


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I would say that at 98,000 miles and 2 owners, I would pass. I have a 2013 with 69,000 miles and have had a few minor issues but none in the last probably 50,000 miles. I hope to get to 150,000 but that would still be 5-6 years away.

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Reminds me when I bought a `90 SHO 5speed with 118k on the odometer...back in the day. It had 1 owner and he drove it, well like the old dude he ways-lol
I know it didn't have turbos but it could be a finicky motor if you didnt adjust the shim/valves....I put another 60k on that motor with SHO SHOP go "fast" parts....it never broke down!
Roll the dice if the price is right!
 
Exactly. It could go 100 miles and it could go 100 thousand. So can any used vehicle.

Most people come to this site because they either have a new truck they love or an old truck they hate. There isn't much in between around here. Most owners fall in between. Not every truck is about to explode. If you're nervous, have a mechanic check it out.
 
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Reminds me when I bought a `90 SHO 5speed with 118k on the odometer...back in the day. It had 1 owner and he drove it, well like the old dude he ways-lol
I know it didn't have turbos but it could be a finicky motor if you didnt adjust the shim/valves....I put another 60k on that motor with SHO SHOP go "fast" parts....it never broke down!
Roll the dice if the price is right!
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Wasn't that motor built by Yamaha?

Although you would need to do "designed maintenance" to that sweet motor, it wasn't one to worry about snapping. In its day, it was unheralded for what it really was.

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Wasn't that motor built by Yamaha?

Although you would need to do "designed maintenance" to that sweet motor, it wasn't one to worry about snapping. In its day, it was unheralded for what it really was.

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Ford contracted with Yamaha to build a powerplant based on their DOHC Vulcan designed engine for transverse use. 5speed Transmission was built by Mazda.
Definitely not apples to apples....BUT it had a Ford Badge and belt accessories-lol
It was the quickest & fastest 4 Door Sedan (Sleeper) I've ever owned.
Now that being said....I would take a SHO with the EcoBoost over that Yamaha any day. Ford is or has discontinued the SHO...for now.
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2013
Mileage: 98000
No Service Records

What concerns me is oil change duration, and transmission fluid changes.
Price is right on vehicle, condition is good, but 2 owners and no records.

Would there be any problem with a 2013 ecoboost engine if the oil changes irregular.
I own a 2012 4x4 fully loaded lariat now with 98,000 on it, I bought it a year ago for $17,000 in mint looking condition and slapped a $79 a month extended warranty on it with a $200 deductible if needed...

Six months after I bought the warranty...
I had some transmission issues with a bill of $4,200 at the Ford dealership, But thanks to my warranty at $79 per monthly for 6 months = $474 then add my $200 deductible it changed my bill to $674 at the Ford dealership :cool:
 
I own a 2012 4x4 fully loaded lariat now with 98,000 on it, I bought it a year ago for $17,000 in mint looking condition and slapped a $79 a month extended warranty on it with a $200 deductible if needed...

Six months after I bought the warranty...
I had some transmission issues with a bill of $4,200 at the Ford dealership, But thanks to my warranty at $79 per monthly for 6 months = $474 then add my $200 deductible it changed my bill to $674 at the Ford dealership :cool:
bill of $4200......did that result in a new transmission?

I bought my 2011 about 3 years ago with 142K, and haven't had any major issues with it. I have gone through and done all the major services, radiator, trans, plugs, cleaned TB, MAF, MAP sensors etc. I need to do the rear end, transfer case and front end too, but just haven't got around to it. I'm hoping I can still get a few more years out of it before I have any major repairs. I do drive it daily, but not much.
 
Sounds like a high mileage eco is good deal if you're willing to to the timing chain and turbo jiffy tites. These trucks are in the teens. Everything else, trans etc is solid on these.
 
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