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Woo-Boost's Oil Information and Build Thread

I changed my oil yesterday along with the transfer case, rear end and installed Wagner intercooler.

For the oil, I am 0-2 with the Fumoto valve. The first time it was not threading into the hole, found out they sent me the wrong valve after checking serial number. This time around I thought I had the vavle with me, went to change oil and could not find it. Thought I left it at work, not there either. Not sure where it is!

I also forgot the oil comes out of the pan like a rocket on these truck. Ended up covering my arm in oil since i didn't have the pan back far enough. :eek:
The used oil will be sent off to be analyzed. I took sample mid stream from pan. I will update this post and thread when I get results.

For this oil change I also purchased the Amsoil oil filter wrench. These fit on end of filter and you use a 3/8 wrench in the end. This is WAY easier than using a traditional filter wrench than wraps around can and you pull handle. Would recommend everyone purchasing this.


The transfer case, I pulled out my hand pump for. Unfortunately the fluid you use (Amsoil ATF for our transfer cases) is too thin and it did not pump well. I thought I was really screwed at this point having an empty transfer case and no way to get to parts store. I managed to find a mini filter in garage, rig it with a mini hose and thankfully being a truck, there was just enough room to dump the oil directly from the Quart jug into the mini filter. :cool:

The rear axle I put a Mag-Hytec cover on with 5 quartz of Amsoil. The factory diff cover had the most RTV gasket from the factory on anything I have ever seen. Ford went nuts with it. The cover is very nice, reusable O ring built in (if you ever take off, you don't need RTV), 2 magnets built in (the drain plug and dipstick) and uses ARP bolts. The only issue with those bolts is it is a damn hex head. I managed (again) to somehow dig up a step down for my 3/8 torque wrench to a 1/4 and use a socket that accepted a hex head. I did not remove the driver side factory fill nut. Mag-Hytec instruction state to fill fluid between lines on dipstick and that matches the factory fill location. You do not want to go over this. For those who reuse stock cover, you check level by fluid weeping out of fill hole.

While doing this job, I also decided to drop spare to give me more room. You must have the factory lug wrench to do this. I actually had to read the owners manual to figure it out.....:eek:

Note-TA performance cover has built in support. They also make the Ford Racing 8.8 covers. You might want to go this route if you are running big power and slicks.

Finally the intercooler. This is the best packaged item I have ever received. Pretty sure you could throw it off a cliff and not damage the intercoooler inside. I had the stock intercooler out in 10 minutes, very easy. Upon putting the Wagner in, I mounted the lower bracket to the studs the air dam mounts to. Took me a while to figure my error there after the piping would not reach. You WILL NEED A HELPER to put this thing in. It is a damn tank. I wonder if lead or cast iron is in that thing because it is heavy as hell laying on your back trying to put it in place. I would also like to note, there is a TON of metal shavings in the holes of it when you pull off the rubber cap. I spent 5 mins blowing each of them out best i could with compressed air. I hope no left overs get sucked into engine. I was really disappointed in that part.

I also looked at my stock intercooler. Have had a RX can since 1000 miles. There was zero trace of any fluid in stock intercooler and it was completely dry.

Finally the test drive. I started driving and built up boost to dump. Wanted to make sure the pipes held and the BOV held. It was making a weird noise, not the typical noise. I thought either the BOV was not mounted/leaking or a pipe had come off. I pulled over and checked the piping....all good, then I noticed I had not connected the electrical connection back to the BOV. I hooked it up and it is working fine. If this was not connected, the boost must have went back through the turbos? :confused: Make sure you plug that in.

Next up, line x, exhaust and checking stock plugs and regapping them.


EDIT-see post #9 for oil analysis and relating data.
Update two - See post #34
 
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Here is some more pictures:

First four pics are to show from my comment a few posts before this on wool wax tinted black, it is like fluid film. It is a great option for the axle. Dont get to see the diffcover and driveshaft(custom) too often. Good view for the honduhs to see.

The q tip was junk that was inside the factory quick connect on the manifold after the thottle body where the PCV line would normally go. I noticed crap in it and took a sample. This is with RX catch can. Im thinking oil still gets by the catch can and then this is dirt latching on over the years? idk. I cleaned the hole out with my finger before putting the FUllrace block off plate in. I stuck a camera in the intake and there is a light coat of oil still it looks like.

Finally, I added the quick connect back on passenger side and pushed the hose all the way up on the AN fitting (see previous post of gap)

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#401 ·
@Blown F-150 no wheel hop. We will see what happens on sticky track.

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@SrpRacing I noticed upon fresh tune, the rpms fluctuates by a few hundred rpm for a few seconds but then levels out immediately
 
#403 ·
Could be since that calibrated leak(pcv) is gone it may take a bit to adjust the idle.

How does the oil seem?
Oil in what sense?

Cold start has a little more of the "vibration" but Im thinking that is from the colder plugs
 
#405 ·
Im not following, why would fuel in oil change?

For the record though, my rx catch can drain always smelled like fuel. The OEM pcv I pulled out smelled like fuel. However my oil tests show low fuel. I havent done one in a while but before winter hits, Ill be changing the oil and sending a sample in this time.
 
#406 ·
My mistake on the confusion. I thought removing the pcv suction doesn’t keep the oil as clean as it should be. I was seeing if this were true based on your observations.
 
#407 ·
I guess we will find out. This will definitely not be purging as much out of boost with no intake reference, but it will still be doing some due to the fact with no PCV, it will always be venting.
 
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I got some tin snips and did the @Blown F-150 HPFP mod today in preparation for the the install.

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Still no broken red tabs yet, lol
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and then i put down deposit for reserve on my new 2020 ecoboost.

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Exedy Stage 2 Clutch & Steel Kit (Increased Clutch Capacity in 2-6, 3-5-R & 4-5-6)
300M Billet Intermediate Shaft
New OE Filter
New Valve Body Plate. New Gaskets, Seals & Rings
Valve Body is performance calibrated to our Specs
Lubrication Modifications
Full Time Cooler Flow
Transmission end play is set to our Specs

This on top of
-new bearings
-cleaning
-new seals
-new Ford lead frame w/ updated Foam insert
-I had them add second magnet as newer 6r80 have (15+)
-New Ford bulkhead connector
-etc
 
#412 ·
Who did the work?
 
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#413 ·
-Put the built transmission in
-Billet circle d converter
-Raptor transmission mount
-New o ring on vacuum pump
-New Rear main seal

We made sure to measure the converter stock vs circle d once set and it was only 1/16 difference...so hopefully it was set all the way. I put about a half quart in it before putting on and also lubed the input shaft.

Finally remembered to take pictures! I always forget, like during turbo install. I still missed a lot of stuff though to grab pics of.

Due to moving the reluctor wheel, I did a crank relearn. Also gotta make sure you change solenoid strategy and Body ID using forscan or IDS.

The rear main was hard to tell if it had a leak, I believe it was a small leak on the bottom, but it was basically nothing. The vacuum pump you can clearly see the leak and it was evident it was hitting top side of bellhousing.

The only issue I am having right now, is I have a grinding type noise at lower rpm at lower speeds that I believe is coming from a vibration at the driveshaft? I believe it is due to the raptor transmission mount. I need to investigate more this weekend...i may put the stock mount back in. I probably should not have done that while installing a new transmission because you immediately think the transmission is broke or the converter is not set all the way :cry:
 
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Replace these O rings.

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These are weird bolt heads that bolt the transfer case to transmission. They also seem to be aluminum? Very light weight.

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Inspection plate above the starter on passeneger side. This is how you tighten the converter nuts, very tight to get to. I took a pic because it is weird that even odd things like this have part numbers.

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Stock converter

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I thought this was odd the one line is pushed all the way in the jiffy tite and the one is not. I did not touch these!! If it started leaking after trying to push it in, no way to fix that.
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Vacuum pump leak.
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The cam shaft that drives the vacuum pump
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Unfortunately, I had nothing left to be excited about lol. Slowly warming up to it not though.

I got up at 530. left at 630 to arrive at 8. Started around 9. Had an hour break for tools run at another shop. Probably 30min-1hr taking little breaks. After test driving, topping fluids etc and hearing the grinding noise, trying to figure out why etc I didnt leave till around midnight, got back to my place around 2am. Unpack everything, went to bed around 4am.

Shout out to @Blown F-150 for being by his phone able to answer some questions.
 
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Im just messing around man. With the new transmission the thermostat was completely removed, thus fluid always goes to the front cooler. Helps extend the life of the fluid and transmission!
 
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I watched the 7.3L F250 that TFLTruck has get the transmission up to 240 climbing the Ike Gauntlet. Its using the new Mercon ULV though. I just dont think they are worried about it running hotter with these newer fluids, because there is no reason the super duty transmission should get any hotter than F150’s.
 
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60% pump FINALLY installed. The pliers idea worked. I purchased the ones below, made for fuel line bending and took a drill bit to open the hole to fit the HPFP line. It allowed to grip the line without damaging it and yank it to bend it. Dont let the install video on youtube fool you, the line is not close to lining up as shown in the video. It takes some force too to bend it.

The coil pack does come out after cutting it @Blown F-150. I thought it would still be a fight but there is a lot of room.

I upped the pressure for HPFP to 2800 psi and then 3200 psi today, it is meeting command. @Boostking will be making some further changes to take advantage of the pump and then ethonal testing will commence!

Finally, I have driven a few hundred miles on the fullrace catch can. I had to pull it off to install the pump obviously. If you crack the drain valve, nothing comes out due to it being flat. When I had it off, I tilted it towards the drain and got a little bit of brown fluid. Not a bunch of crap like the dual valve but this set it is allowing for much better crank pressure release and our PCV expert @SrpRacing has confirmed this.


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#432 ·
60% pump FINALLY installed. The pliers idea worked. I purchased the ones below, made for fuel line bending and took a drill bit to open the hole to fit the HPFP line. It allowed to grip the line without damaging it and yank it to bend it. Dont let the install video on youtube fool you, the line is not close to lining up as shown in the video. It takes some force too to bend it.

The coil pack does come out after cutting it @Blown F-150. I thought it would still be a fight but there is a lot of room.

I upped the pressure for HPFP to 2800 psi and then 3200 psi today, it is meeting command. @Boostking will be making some further changes to take advantage of the pump and then ethonal testing will commence!

Finally, I have driven a few hundred miles on the fullrace catch can. I had to pull it off to install the pump obviously. If you crack the drain valve, nothing comes out due to it being flat. When I had it off, I tilted it towards the drain and got a little bit of brown fluid. Not a bunch of crap like the dual valve but this set it is allowing for much better crank pressure release and our PCV expert @SrpRacing has confirmed this.


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#433 ·
With the new converter, if i just hit it off idle, it will glaze the tires through first. That is with boost control/limit too down low. If I stall it at all, even a tiny bit not building any boost, it will smoke them.

Hottest trans temp I am seeing beating on it is 170. Hottest I saw idling was 180.

Cruising in high 50 degree weather, it stays at 110. I may put some cardboard in front of cooler in really cold temps during winter.
 
#434 ·
Excellent with WooBoost!
Confirms my thoughts on replacing the OEM Thermal Coolant Bypass Valve.
I haven't gotten around to the transmission YET, but have the parts sitting in the garage.
A lot of garages are sort of put off on dropping the valve body? I don't get it....I know their are different sized hex bolts to remove?[emoji849]
BUT.... a drop in over 25° during operation is where it needs to be IMO when towing heavy in the 110°-118° AZ summers[emoji106]
I'm suprised you didn't go for an extra capacity trash pan?....or are you-lol
Again...JOB WELL DONE!
PS....I think you are definitely in this category[emoji16]
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#436 ·
Excellent with WooBoost!
Confirms my thoughts on replacing the OEM Thermal Coolant Bypass Valve.
I haven't gotten around to the transmission YET, but have the parts sitting in the garage.
A lot of garages are sort of put off on dropping the valve body? I don't get it....I know their are different sized hex bolts to remove?[emoji849]
BUT.... a drop in over 25° during operation is where it needs to be IMO when towing heavy in the 110°-118° AZ summers[emoji106]
I'm suprised you didn't go for an extra capacity trash pan?....or are you-lol
Again...JOB WELL DONE!
PS....I think you are definitely in this category[emoji16] View attachment 168764

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What kit did you get that replaces the valve? Maybe other people are interested in it.

No, stock pan. Maybe if towing a lot, the extra fluid would be good for you.

I also have the Saudi trans cooler....that is playing into my temps. Although with the internal t stat removed, I don't think you would need that upgrade. The converter company says you need extra cooling with converter, if you're stock you would be fine on stock cooler.

If you are going to do the install and pull your valve body, I would suggest you upgrade to the latest lead frame as well as well as the foam insert as I show above. The lead frame comes out with the valve body, so might as well do it while apart. It is only around 110 from Ford dealers online. ALso, if you watch the ford tech video, he says anytime the valvebody is pulled, you need to replace this little square thing because you need new o ring on it. I believe it is the passage to feed the pump.
 
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[emoji106].....appreciate the tips WooBoost.

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That part number on their website says full time cooler flow. That would be same thing I have, so you would be seeing temps like me. There are some other units that just allow the valve to open at 170 or so vs our stock 195.
 
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Lol

OK, not touching those injectors. [emoji16]

I think I actually agree with you for the fueling requirements that almost everyone on this forum is operating within. But engineering wise, like everything, they surely have their limits.

They just aren't the weak spot yet.

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