[Vozaday]

I meant an equivalency, like the oil is now equal to 5-20. I looked briefly into the Viscosity, I found 100c for cars and 40c for equipment is normal testing. I did not see what exactly 8.6 cSt means. I also do not know what your TBN base number 5.49 means. Do you have any articles that explains all this? You're saying even with this fuel dilution, there is no worries here? If the oil loses too much viscosity, engine would eat bearings.

Yes it would eat bearings. But in the cars the engine uses 5-20 oil. Same engine.

Mind you the f150 does see higher stresses with towing but speculation is that the 5-30 oil is to make up for the fuel dilution. Again nothing but speculation but between extra heat and dilution it would make sense.

 

[WooBoost]

Trailboss, what about Amsoil 0-40w they just made for the Fiat cars?

 

[WooBoost]

Also, any pictures of the PCV valve and where it is at? When putting catch can on, the two line we pull, there is no valve, it is just tubing with quick connects if I remember correctly.

EDIT- is it the grey barb on the driver side you slip hose onto?

Edit 2- the TSB trailboss links to doesn't mention anything about checking o ring on HPFP, only replacing the valve, brake hose and new flash. Lame.

 

[Vozaday]

Also, any pictures of the PCV valve and where it is at? When putting catch can on, the two line we pull, there is no valve, it is just tubing with quick connects if I remember correctly. EDIT- is it the grey barb on the driver side you slip hose onto? Edit 2- the TSB trailboss links to doesn't mention anything about checking o ring on HPFP, only replacing the valve, brake hose and new flash. Lame.

The PCV is on the passenger valve cover.

Ya I read that. Must have been a previous version that they changed the o ring, or it was just a customers invoice I had seen.

 

[WooBoost]

The PCV is on the passenger valve cover.

Ya I read that. Must have been a previous version that they changed the o ring, or it was just a customers invoice I had seen.

Right, ok I know what you're referring to. Replacing it....does nothing. Probably has a slight design change inside and gets rid of any built up gunk in the stock one. It still functions the same way. This won't fix anything. Whatever tune they do, which we have no idea what kind of parameters they change, is the only fix here that may help. I would guess fuel parameters have been adjusted.

You said you have a boost gauge and are notching lower PSI unless at WOT after this TSB? Looks like fuel dilution is just a problem to deal with and means changing oil more often.

 

[Trailboss]

TBN is Total Base Number. TBN is the ability of the oil to resist contamination and acid formation. Oil starts out with a High Base Number meaning it is on the Alkali side of PH. As acids and contaminates form the number drops. ASL starts out at 12.6 TBN but the additive package is purposely designed such that the number will drop rather quickly to the numbers you see in your report, and then level out at about that level for the remainder of the oil life. As long as the TBN is above 1 the oil still is still able to perform it's function as it relates to the resistance to acids.

Viscosity of ASL starts out at about 10.4 @100c. Most common 5W-30 oils on the market start out in the 9-10 range and quickly shear to the 6 - 7 range. Your viscosity is still at 8.6 plenty of Viscosity to resist wear. 8.6 is the starting viscosity of Amsoil ALM 5W-20, so basically you have sheared down 1 viscosity grade. As long as your Viscosity at 100c stays above 6.1 it is fine. Below 6.1 drops it more than 2 viscosity grades and that is the minimum industry acceptable standard. My past reports have shown that the viscosity will not drop much more (if any) and your fuel dilution will likely not climb much more either. I get the same dilution at 5k miles as I had at 2.5k miles. Like I said the dilution is not linear.

I would recommend changing oil at 5k miles if you are not comfortable going longer. Sample at the time of the oil change. If you are comfortable (I am) just resample at 5k miles and wait to see what the results are. I will get there long before you do, so I will share my latest reports of 2.5k and 5k miles on the oil when I get the 5k mile report done within the next month or so.

You can read more about Typical Lubricant Guidelines in the Oil Analyzers Users Guide to Oil Analysis Services starting on about page 11 of that document.

The Technical Properties for the virgin ASL 5W-30 can be found in the data bulletin at: http://www.amsoil.com/lit/databulletins/g2880.pdf You can call me if you would like to discuss over the phone.
(765)409-9023

 

[WooBoost]

TBN is Total Base Number. TBN is the ability of the oil to resist contamination and acid formation. Oil starts out with a High Base Number meaning it is on the Alkali side of PH. As acids and contaminates form the number drops. ASL starts out at 12.6 TBN but the additive package is purposely designed such that the number will drop rather quickly to the numbers you see in your report, and then level out at about that level for the remainder of the oil life. As long as the TBN is above 1 the oil still is still able to perform it's function as it relates to the resistance to acids.

Viscosity of ASL starts out at about 10.4 @100c. Most common 5W-30 oils on the market start out in the 9-10 range and quickly shear to the 6 - 7 range. Your viscosity is still at 8.6 plenty of Viscosity to resist wear. 8.6 is the starting viscosity of Amsoil ALM 5W-20, so basically you have sheared down 1 viscosity grade. As long as your Viscosity at 100c stays above 6.1 it is fine. Below 6.1 drops it more than 2 viscosity grades and that is the minimum industry acceptable standard. My past reports have shown that the viscosity will not drop much more (if any) and your fuel dilution will likely not climb much more either. I get the same dilution at 5k miles as I had at 2.5k miles. Like I said the dilution is not linear.

I would recommend changing oil at 5k miles if you are not comfortable going longer. Sample at the time of the oil change. If you are comfortable (I am) just resample at 5k miles and wait to see what the results are. I will get there long before you do, so I will share my reports of 2.5k and 5k miles on the oil when I get the 5k mile report done within the next month or so.

You can read more about Typical Lubricant Guidelines in the Oil Analyzers Users Guide to Oil Analysis Services starting on about page 11 of that document.

The Technical Properties for the virgin ASL 5W-30 can be found in the data bulletin at: http://www.amsoil.com/lit/databulletins/g2880.pdf You can call me if you would like to discuss over the phone.
(765)409-9023

This is a great explanation. I will make a note of those numbers I want to stay above. You say if it is above 1 TBN, it is ok. Would not 7 be better than 1?

Just to clarify, you're saying this oil had another, at minimum, 1250(2500/2) miles in it at its current rate? Again, computer monitor stated 33%, My goal was to change by 30% due to this being first oil change.

Based on what you say, maybe I will go 6 months again and see what happens, wait till fall. My plan was to only go 1500 miles, change and sample again.

What are your thoughts on the 0-40? Running it in ecoboost.

 

[Trailboss]

I have not tested that one yet. I am currently testing the 10W-30 ATM but I would not hesitate to use the 0w-40 AZF. My plan is to test the 0w-30 AZO as well as the 0w-40 AZF but It takes time. I only have the one vehicle to do my testing.

TBN is just as effective at 1 as it is at 7. As long as there is base it is protecting against acid. You can resample at 1500 miles, I will be at an additional 2500 wihin a month so I will share my results with you, and that may help you in your decision of when to sample.

 

[WooBoost]

I have not tested that one yet. I am currently testing the 10W-30 ATM but I would not hesitate to use the 0w-40 AZF. My plan is to test the 0w-30 AZO as well as the 0w-40 AZF but It takes time. I only have the one vehicle to do my testing.

TBN is just as effective at 1 as it is at 7. As long as there is base it is protecting against acid. You can resample at 1500 miles, I will be at an additional 2500 wihin a month so I will share my results with you, and that may help you in your decision of when to sample.

40 would give even more protection from the fuel dilution correct? I just wonder if it would be any issue for the engine tolerances.

Based on your information, I am going to go through the summer more than likely and not change early. I have no way to sample fluid until I drain it.

Does this AMSOIL Oil Analysis Pump pump allow to hook to dip stick tube to pull oil out for sample? I took my sample mid drain from pan.

 

[Trailboss]

The pump works great I use it all the time. Basically measure and cut a piece of the tubing about two feet longer than the dipstick, then mark the tubing at the length of the dipstick and insert tubing into the dipstick tube up to the mark and pump the sample bottle full. In these trucks you will need to cut the bottom of the tubing on about a 1" taper to get it through the dipstick tube and in to the pan.

 

[WooBoost]

The pump works great I use it all the time. Basically measure and cut a piece of the tubing about two feet longer than the dipstick, then mark the tubing at the length of the dipstick and insert tubing into the dipstick tube up to the mark and pump the sample bottle full. In these trucks you will need to cut the bottom of the tubing on about a 1" taper to get it through the dipstick tube and in to the pan.

So it holds fluid in the tube at a vacuum, then you pull the tube out and fill the bottle?

 

[Trailboss]

So it holds fluid in the tube at a vacuum, then you pull the tube out and fill the bottle?

No, you connect the tube to the pump, attach the bottle to the pump, and then pump the oil in to the bottle.

 

[WooBoost]

No, you connect the tube to the pump, attach the bottle to the pump, and then pump the oil in to the bottle.

That sounds awesome. Might have to spend more money. Oil should be at operating temp when sample?

 

[WooBoost]

UPDATE- Here is one week of driving with temps in the 60/70's

Almost nothing. I do not know if that is from warmer weather or a combo of warmer weather+new intercooler. It still WREAKS of raw gas. From fall when I bought truck and put catch can through end of February when it was still colder, I would fill up 1/4-1/3 of the same bottle pictured above in one week, which is a 32oz container. I filled three of those in 180 days, from October-March.

Relating to the TSB, as i was draining, i looked on my passenger valve cover. My truck, built before the TSB date, still has a brown PCV valve. So that is newest. If i get the TSB done, looks like they would just replace brake booster line (no idea what this does) and flash latest tuning. So for those of you who run a aftermarket tune, this TSB does absolutely nothing for you.

I also went on a long cruise yesterday, filled up with some gas. Drove straight to internet after a little bit of in town driving. Spent about 15mins on interstate at 65-70, got my MPG reader up to 18.5. Couldn't believe my eyes, maybe decent MPG is possible in these things after all. It has already dropped to 16.0 after running a few errands today though.

 

[WooBoost]

I checked the dipstick on the Mag-Hytec cover. The drain bolt and drip stick end are both magnetic on this cover.

I installed it about 300 miles ago? with new Amsoil fluid. To my surprised the tip of the dip stick/magnet has a good amount of crud on it. Whether that is left over old stuff just getting picked up or new stuff, I don't know.

So for those of you who believe the factory fill is lifetime/150k miles. Good luck.


Also, another week of draining catch can. Same as picture above. Almost nothing came out.

 

[NickPic83]

Thanks for the updates!

 

[coletrain]

Just reread.
So with Amasol in these trucks, how long is the change interval?
If i can go 7k with Amasol, and Mobil1 one is 5k, it would make sense to spend the money.

 

[WooBoost]

Just reread.
So with Amasol in these trucks, how long is the change interval?
If i can go 7k with Amasol, and Mobil1 one is 5k, it would make sense to spend the money.

So I believe the amsoil letter wanted me to go another 1250 miles (half of 2500) and re sample.

Trailboss says go 5k before changing because his fuel dilution does not sample differently between 2500-5000. Again my sample was only in the winter months and short commutes, that is rough on oil. I am going to change again before winter and send sample in. We will see how many miles I get to then. I would rather spend the money on oil than an engine and all the down time with it.

 

[WooBoost]

Update- Still hardly anything from catch can from this week. i watched it drain and it was dark brown.

I took my first "long trip" with the truck. 72 miles to a location, 72 miles back. When I first started truck in morning, it was still in 60's, MPG reader says 15.4. With a couple minutes of idling, it dropped down to 11.2. This is why it is hard to trust this because idling = 0 mpg and will cause the display to drop significantly, when in reality you aren't using hardly any fuel. That being said, on the first leg of the 72 miles, the reader went up to 19.5. On the second leg when I pulled in driveway, it was at 20.6. So these trucks can get good mileage, I was wrong. That being said, if the reader stays above 15 this work week in town, I will be surprised. My next test will be to reset MPG reader while at cruise to see what it is actually getting on the interstate only. I am going to guess 24!

The trans temp did not go above 195 the whole time either.

The more I detail this truck, the more i notice factory paint flaws. Not very good job.

Also forgot to add, checked K and N filter. The intake piping it completely spot free. The air filter lid is spot free and there is nothing coming out of CSS tapped into lid that others have reported. Filter is still clean, seemed dry though. May pull out and spray a light coat of K and N oil on it just to be safe. The bottom of lid had what looked like salt residue left over from winter, probably from moisture evaporating and leaving the salt.

 

[WooBoost]

Quick update- people have said the gallons used is not true on here. My last fillup the pump said 17.6 gallons. The digital readout said 17.6 gallons used, exact match.

Checked my oil, it is at the top hole, where it has always been. Not smelling as strong of gas, be interesting to see what this analysis says in fall.

I also added some Amsoil PI fuel system treatment, just cause. Using whole bottle at 20 gallons.